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48</head><body><div id="__nuxt"><div><main><header class="nav" data-v-075051fb><div class="container nav__inner" data-v-075051fb><a href="/" class="nav__logo" data-v-075051fb><img src="/logo-horizontal.jpg" alt="Product & Cake" class="nav__logo-img" width="400" height="137" data-v-075051fb></a><nav class="nav__links" data-v-075051fb><a href="/#episodes" data-v-075051fb>Episodes</a><a href="/#hosts" data-v-075051fb>Hosts</a><a href="/#contact" class="nav__cta-link" data-v-075051fb>Get in touch</a></nav></div></header><section class="hero" data-v-a8e1994b><div class="hyperspeed" data-v-a8e1994b data-v-60441c42></div><div class="container hero__layout" data-v-a8e1994b><div class="hero__content" data-v-a8e1994b><div class="hero__badge" data-v-a8e1994b><span class="hero__badge-dot" data-v-a8e1994b></span> A casual product chat with some tech toppings </div><h1 class="hero__title" data-v-a8e1994b> The product & tech podcast<br data-v-a8e1994b> from the people who<br data-v-a8e1994b><span class="gradient-text" data-v-a8e1994b>built it.</span></h1><p class="hero__subtitle" data-v-a8e1994b> Honest conversations about the real tensions in building tech products. 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48<a href="https://en.vrr-consulting.de" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="episode-card__link" data-v-d1dda49d><svg width="12" height="12" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2.5" data-v-d1dda49d><circle cx="12" cy="12" r="10" data-v-d1dda49d></circle><line x1="2" y1="12" x2="22" y2="12" data-v-d1dda49d></line><path d="M12 2a15.3 15.3 0 0 1 4 10 15.3 15.3 0 0 1-4 10 15.3 15.3 0 0 1-4-10 15.3 15.3 0 0 1 4-10z" data-v-d1dda49d></path></svg></a></div></div><div class="episode-card__date" data-v-d1dda49d>Aug 2026</div></a><a href="/episode/ben-trollope-google" class="episode-card" data-v-d1dda49d><div class="episode-card__header" data-v-d1dda49d><span class="episode-card__season" data-v-d1dda49d>S5E4</span><span class="episode-card__duration" data-v-d1dda49d>53:57</span></div><h3 class="episode-card__title" data-v-d1dda49d>Ben Trollope on Vibe Coding, Token Economics and Why You're Not a Senior Without a Junior</h3><p class="episode-card__desc" data-v-d1dda49d>Google Customer Engineer Ben Trollope on what he sees behind the AI hype: everyone can build, almost nobody maintains, tokens are subsidized like 2019 Uber rides â and why teams need juniors again.</p><div class="episode-card__guest" data-v-d1dda49d><div class="episode-card__guest-avatar" data-v-d1dda49d>B</div><div class="episode-card__guest-info" data-v-d1dda49d><span class="episode-card__guest-name" data-v-d1dda49d>Ben Trollope</span><span class="episode-card__guest-company" data-v-d1dda49d>Google</span></div><div class="episode-card__guest-links" data-v-d1dda49d><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/benjamin-trollope/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="episode-card__link" aria-label="Ben Trollope on LinkedIn" data-v-d1dda49d><svg width="12" height="12" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="currentColor" data-v-d1dda49d><path d="M20.447 20.452h-3.554v-5.569c0-1.328-.027-3.037-1.852-3.037-1.853 0-2.136 1.445-2.136 2.939v5.667H9.351V9h3.414v1.561h.046c.477-.9 1.637-1.85 3.37-1.85 3.601 0 4.267 2.37 4.267 5.455v6.286zM5.337 7.433a2.062 2.062 0 01-2.063-2.065 2.064 2.064 0 112.063 2.065zm1.782 13.019H3.555V9h3.564v11.452zM22.225 0H1.771C.792 0 0 .774 0 1.729v20.542C0 23.227.792 24 1.771 24h20.451C23.2 24 24 23.227 24 22.271V1.729C24 .774 23.2 0 22.222 0h.003z" data-v-d1dda49d></path></svg></a><!----></div></div><div class="episode-card__date" data-v-d1dda49d>Jul 2026</div></a><a href="/episode/minerva-tantoco-new-york-city-cto" class="episode-card" data-v-d1dda49d><div class="episode-card__header" data-v-d1dda49d><span class="episode-card__season" data-v-d1dda49d>S5E3</span><span class="episode-card__duration" data-v-d1dda49d>45:38</span></div><h3 class="episode-card__title" data-v-d1dda49d>Minerva Tantoco on AI, New York City, and Leading Into the Unknown</h3><p class="episode-card__desc" data-v-d1dda49d>From her first AI startup in 1985 to becoming the first-ever CTO of New York City â Minerva Tantoco on stepping into roles that have never existed before and leading through genuine uncertainty.</p><div class="episode-card__guest" data-v-d1dda49d><div class="episode-card__guest-avatar" data-v-d1dda49d>M</div><div class="episode-card__guest-info" data-v-d1dda49d><span class="episode-card__guest-name" data-v-d1dda49d>Minerva Tantoco</span><span class="episode-card__guest-company" data-v-d1dda49d>EY</span></div><div class="episode-card__guest-links" data-v-d1dda49d><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/minervatantoco/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="episode-card__link" aria-label="Minerva Tantoco on LinkedIn" data-v-d1dda49d><svg width="12" height="12" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="currentColor" data-v-d1dda49d><path d="M20.447 20.452h-3.554v-5.569c0-1.328-.027-3.037-1.852-3.037-1.853 0-2.136 1.445-2.136 2.939v5.667H9.351V9h3.414v1.561h.046c.477-.9 1.637-1.85 3.37-1.85 3.601 0 4.267 2.37 4.267 5.455v6.286zM5.337 7.433a2.062 2.062 0 01-2.063-2.065 2.064 2.064 0 112.063 2.065zm1.782 13.019H3.555V9h3.564v11.452zM22.225 0H1.771C.792 0 0 .774 0 1.729v20.542C0 23.227.792 24 1.771 24h20.451C23.2 24 24 23.227 24 22.271V1.729C24 .774 23.2 0 22.222 0h.003z" data-v-d1dda49d></path></svg></a><a href="https://www.citystrategiesllc.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="episode-card__link" data-v-d1dda49d><svg width="12" height="12" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2.5" data-v-d1dda49d><circle cx="12" cy="12" r="10" data-v-d1dda49d></circle><line x1="2" y1="12" x2="22" y2="12" data-v-d1dda49d></line><path d="M12 2a15.3 15.3 0 0 1 4 10 15.3 15.3 0 0 1-4 10 15.3 15.3 0 0 1-4-10 15.3 15.3 0 0 1 4-10z" data-v-d1dda49d></path></svg></a></div></div><div class="episode-card__date" data-v-d1dda49d>Jun 2026</div></a><a href="/episode/vention-unplugged-berlin" class="episode-card" data-v-d1dda49d><div class="episode-card__header" data-v-d1dda49d><span class="episode-card__season" data-v-d1dda49d>S5E2</span><span class="episode-card__duration" data-v-d1dda49d>35:45</span></div><h3 class="episode-card__title" data-v-d1dda49d>AI as a Teammate and the Future of the 'Why'</h3><p class="episode-card__desc" data-v-d1dda49d>Live from Vention Unplugged Berlin: a panel debate on whether AI is just a tool or a true teammate, with experts forced to argue both sides.</p><!----><div class="episode-card__date" data-v-d1dda49d>May 2026</div></a><a href="/episode/catalina-turlea-lovelaice" class="episode-card" data-v-d1dda49d><div class="episode-card__header" data-v-d1dda49d><span class="episode-card__season" data-v-d1dda49d>S5E1</span><span class="episode-card__duration" data-v-d1dda49d>38:05</span></div><h3 class="episode-card__title" data-v-d1dda49d>Founder and CTO of Lovelaice: Catalina Turlea on AI Experimentation, Domain Expertise, and Escaping the "Sea of Average"</h3><p class="episode-card__desc" data-v-d1dda49d>Demystifies "black box" AI integration; highlights domain expertise over generic LLM wrappers, avoiding average results.</p><div class="episode-card__guest" data-v-d1dda49d><div class="episode-card__guest-avatar" data-v-d1dda49d>C</div><div class="episode-card__guest-info" data-v-d1dda49d><span class="episode-card__guest-name" data-v-d1dda49d>Catalina Turlea</span><span class="episode-card__guest-company" data-v-d1dda49d>Lovelaice</span></div><div class="episode-card__guest-links" data-v-d1dda49d><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/catalinaturlea/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="episode-card__link" aria-label="Catalina Turlea on LinkedIn" data-v-d1dda49d><svg width="12" height="12" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="currentColor" data-v-d1dda49d><path d="M20.447 20.452h-3.554v-5.569c0-1.328-.027-3.037-1.852-3.037-1.853 0-2.136 1.445-2.136 2.939v5.667H9.351V9h3.414v1.561h.046c.477-.9 1.637-1.85 3.37-1.85 3.601 0 4.267 2.37 4.267 5.455v6.286zM5.337 7.433a2.062 2.062 0 01-2.063-2.065 2.064 2.064 0 112.063 2.065zm1.782 13.019H3.555V9h3.564v11.452zM22.225 0H1.771C.792 0 0 .774 0 1.729v20.542C0 23.227.792 24 1.771 24h20.451C23.2 24 24 23.227 24 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