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514                    <h1 class="episode-title episode-three-title mb-0">From Circus Bears to Sanctuary Dreams: Kati Krouse and the Fight for Exotic Animal Welfare</h1>
515                    <div class="published text-center mb-3">Published on:
516                        <strong>2nd October, 2026</strong>
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533                        <p>What happens to bears, big cats, parrots, and other exotic animals when they can no longer be kept as pets, used in entertainment, or housed by failing facilities?</p><p>In this episode, Dixie sits down with Kati Krouse, founder and executive director of Bears Etc., the nation's first bear-focused sanctuary. Kati shares her journey from a farm kid in Indiana to veterinary medicine, wildlife rehabilitation, and ultimately creating a nonprofit dedicated to giving captive wildlife a second chance.</p><p>Together, they discuss the realities of the exotic pet trade, roadside zoos, circus animals, sanctuary life, wildlife advocacy, volunteer training, and what it truly takes to provide lifelong care for animals with nowhere else to go.</p><p>You'll also hear how Bears Etc. is preparing to welcome rescued bears, why education is one of the organization's most powerful tools, and how everyday people can help create a better future for exotic animals.</p><p>Learn more and support the mission at bearsetc.org.</p>
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538                                <cite>Dixie:</cite>
539<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:00:00'>00:00:00</a></time>
540<p>Welcome back, everybody. </p>
541<p> 2</p>
542<cite>:</cite>
543<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:00:02'>00:00:02</a></time>
544<p> Today we are gonna be taking a deep</p>
545<p> dive into the world of exotic animal</p>
546<p> </p>
547<p> 3</p>
548<cite>:</cite>
549<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:00:07'>00:00:07</a></time>
550<p> welfare and sanctuaries, and what it</p>
551<p> takes to build a lifelong haven for</p>
552<p> </p>
553<p> 4</p>
554<cite>:</cite>
555<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:00:13'>00:00:13</a></time>
556<p> animals that have nowhere else to turn.</p>
557<p> </p>
558<p> 5</p>
559<cite>:</cite>
560<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:00:15'>
56000:00:15</a></time>
561<p> My guest today is Kati Krouse, the founder</p>
562<p> and executive director of Bears Etc.,</p>
563<p> </p>
564<p> 6</p>
565<cite>:</cite>
566<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:00:20'>00:00:20</a></time>
567<p> The nation's very first bear-centric</p>
568<p> sanctuary . Kati journey with animals</p>
569<p> </p>
570<p> 7</p>
571<cite>:</cite>
572<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:00:25'>00:00:25</a></time>
573<p> started long before Bears Etc.</p>
574<p> </p>
575<p> 8</p>
576<cite>:</cite>
577<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:00:27'>00:00:27</a></time>
578<p> From working at a veterinary clinic</p>
579<p> as a teenager and studying as a</p>
580<p> </p>
581<p> 9</p>
582<cite>:</cite>
583<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:00:31'>00:00:31</a></time>
584<p> vet tech at Purdue University to</p>
585<p> volunteering with sanctuaries and</p>
586<p> </p>
587<p> 10</p>
588<cite>:</cite>
589<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:00:35'>00:00:35</a></time>
590<p> seeing firsthand the overwhelming</p>
591<p> need for exotic animal placements.</p>
592<p> </p>
593<p> 11</p>
594<cite>:</cite>
595<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:00:40'>00:00:40</a></time>
596<p> Kati has dedicated her life to</p>
597<p> rescue, education, and advocacy.</p>
598<p> </p>
599<p> 12</p>
600<cite>:</cite>
601<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:00:45'>00:00:45</a></time>
602<p> Today we're talking about her</p>
603<p> journey, the harsh realities of the</p>
604<p> </p>
605<p> 13</p>
606<cite>:</cite>
607<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:00:48'>00:00:48</a></time>
608<p> exotic pet trade, and how Bears Etc.</p>
609<p> </p>
610<p> 14</p>
611<cite>:</cite>
612<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:00:51'>00:00:51</a></time>
613<p> is providing captive wildlife</p>
614<p> with a true piece of the wild.</p>
615<p> </p>
616<p> 15</p>
617<cite>:</cite>
618<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:00:56'>00:00:56</a></time>
619<p> Kati, welcome to the show.</p>
620<p> </p>
621<p> 16</p>
622<cite>:</cite>
623<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:00:58'>00:00:58</a></time>
624<p> Kati: Hey, thanks.</p>
625<p> </p>
626<p> 17</p>
627<cite>:</cite>
628<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:01:01'>00:01:01</a></time>
629<p> Dixie: I didn't know anything about</p>
630<p> Bears Etc until you reached out to</p>
631<p> </p>
632<p> 18</p>
633<cite>:</cite>
634<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:01:05'>00:01:05</a></time>
635<p> me, and I went and checked out your</p>
636<p> Facebook page, and it is just amazing.</p>
637<p> </p>
638<p> 19</p>
639<cite>:</cite>
640<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:01:10'>00:01:10</a></time>
641<p> I would like to know if you could take</p>
642<p> it all the way back to the beginning</p>
643<p> </p>
644<p> 20</p>
645<cite>:</cite>
646<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:01:13'>00:01:13</a></time>
647<p> before you had a sanctuary and before,</p>
648<p> like, all your vet tech studies.</p>
649<p> </p>
650<p> 21</p>
651<cite>:</cite>
652<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:01:18'>00:01:18</a></time>
653<p> What was young Kati like with animals?</p>
654<p> </p>
655<p> 22</p>
656<cite>:</cite>
657<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:01:21'>00:01:21</a></time>
658<p> Did you always know you were gonna</p>
659<p> dedicate your career to animal welfare?</p>
660<p> </p>
661<p> 23</p>
662<cite>:</cite>
663<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:01:26'>00:01:26</a></time>
664<p> Kati: Oh, yes.</p>
665<p> </p>
666<p> 24</p>
667<cite>:</cite>
668<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:01:27'>00:01:27</a></time>
669<p> I grew up on a farm in Northeast</p>
670<p> Indiana, and I was fortunate enough to</p>
671<p> </p>
672<p> 25</p>
673<cite>:</cite>
674<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:01:33'>00:01:33</a></time>
675<p> know my, some of my great-grandparents,</p>
676<p> and I was always trying to tame</p>
677<p> </p>
678<p> 26</p>
679<cite>:</cite>
680<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:01:38'>00:01:38</a></time>
681<p> my great-grandfather's barn cats.</p>
682<p> </p>
683<p> 27</p>
684<cite>:</cite>
685<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:01:40'>00:01:40</a></time>
686<p> And so growing up on the farm,</p>
687<p> also we had a lot of dogs and cats</p>
688<p> </p>
689<p> 28</p>
690<cite>:</cite>
691<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:01:45'>00:01:45</a></time>
692<p> dumped on our property, and stuff.</p>
693<p> </p>
694<p> 29</p>
695<cite>:</cite>
696<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:01:48'>00:01:48</a></time>
697<p> And so it was, My grandfather</p>
698<p> he milked cows until he was in</p>
699<p> </p>
700<p> 30</p>
701<cite>:</cite>
702<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:01:53'>00:01:53</a></time>
703<p> a tractor accident, and so then</p>
704<p> we just farmed crops from there.</p>
705<p> </p>
706<p> 31</p>
707<cite>:</cite>
708<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:01:58'>00:01:58</a></time>
709<p> But there were always animals in our</p>
710<p> life, and so I was always catching snakes</p>
711<p> </p>
712<p> 32</p>
713<cite>:</cite>
714<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:02:05'>00:02:05</a></time>
715<p> and frogs and, walking in the woods and,</p>
716<p> do- doing stuff outside being up there.</p>
717<p> </p>
718<p> 33</p>
719<cite>:</cite>
720<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:02:12'>00:02:12</a></time>
721<p> Growing up in the, late '70s, '80s, we</p>
722<p> didn't have cable, we didn't have…</p>
723<p> </p>
724<p> 34</p>
725<cite>:</cite>
726<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:02:18'>00:02:18</a></time>
727<p> we were farm kids, and so we were</p>
728<p> outside doing stuff all the time.</p>
729<p> </p>
730<p> 35</p>
731<cite>:</cite>
732<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:02:22'>00:02:22</a></time>
733<p> And so either, playing in the</p>
734<p> snow in the winter or, back in</p>
735<p> </p>
736<p> 36</p>
737<cite>:</cite>
738<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:02:27'>00:02:27</a></time>
739<p> the woods during the summer.</p>
740<p> </p>
741<p> 37</p>
742<cite>:</cite>
743<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:02:28'>00:02:28</a></time>
744<p> My cousin had horses, so</p>
745<p> sometimes we would ride horses.</p>
746<p> </p>
747<p> 38</p>
748<cite>:</cite>
749<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:02:31'>00:02:31</a></time>
750<p> And all the neighbors really had</p>
751<p> cattle both dairy and beef cattle.</p>
752<p> </p>
753<p> 39</p>
754<cite>:</cite>
755<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:02:36'>00:02:36</a></time>
756<p> And so I was around animals</p>
757<p> basically all of the time.</p>
758<p> </p>
759<p> 40</p>
760<cite>:</cite>
761<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:02:41'>00:02:41</a></time>
762<p> And so yeah went into high school</p>
763<p> where I could work half a day and go</p>
764<p> </p>
765<p> 41</p>
766<cite>:</cite>
767<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:02:48'>00:02:48</a></time>
768<p> to school half a day my senior year,</p>
769<p> and I worked for a veterinary clinic,</p>
770<p> </p>
771<p> 42</p>
772<cite>:</cite>
773<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:02:53'>00:02:53</a></time>
774<p> and that really solidified it that I</p>
775<p> wanted to help save animals, right?</p>
776<p> </p>
777<p> 43</p>
778<cite>:</cite>
779<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:02:58'>00:02:58</a></time>
780<p> I wanted to do exotics and wildlife</p>
781<p> is really what I wanted to do.</p>
782<p> </p>
783<p> 44</p>
784<cite>:</cite>
785<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:03:02'>00:03:02</a></time>
786<p> Little did I know until then</p>
787<p> that there was more than becoming</p>
788<p> </p>
789<p> 45</p>
790<cite>:</cite>
791<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:03:06'>00:03:06</a></time>
792<p> a veterinarian available.</p>
793<p> </p>
794<p> 46</p>
795<cite>:</cite>
796<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:03:08'>00:03:08</a></time>
797<p> We didn't have Google then.</p>
798<p> </p>
799<p> 47</p>
800<cite>:</cite>
801<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:03:10'>00:03:10</a></time>
802<p> We didn't have, we didn't</p>
803<p> have any of that there then.</p>
804<p> </p>
805<p> 48</p>
806<cite>:</cite>
807<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:03:14'>00:03:14</a></time>
808<p> It was, research through books in</p>
809<p> the library and stuff like that.</p>
810<p> </p>
811<p> 49</p>
812<cite>:</cite>
813<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:03:18'>00:03:18</a></time>
814<p> And so until I went to college</p>
815<p> did we really have more of that.</p>
816<p> </p>
817<p> 50</p>
818<cite>:</cite>
819<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:03:23'>00:03:23</a></time>
820<p> And so through working for this</p>
821<p> veterinarian, I found out about the</p>
822<p> </p>
823<p> 51</p>
824<cite>:</cite>
825<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:03:27'>00:03:27</a></time>
826<p> vet tech program at Purdue University.</p>
827<p> </p>
828<p> 52</p>
829<cite>:</cite>
830<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:03:30'>00:03:30</a></time>
831<p> And so then, I decided I was gonna</p>
832<p> go to vet school or vet tech school.</p>
833<p> </p>
834<p> 53</p>
835<cite>:</cite>
836<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:03:36'>00:03:36</a></time>
837<p> So in the meantime, this gal brought</p>
838<p> in this Amazon parrot that the</p>
839<p> </p>
840<p> 54</p>
841<cite>:</cite>
842<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:03:42'>00:03:42</a></time>
843<p> chimpanzee had broken its wing.</p>
844<p> </p>
845<p> 55</p>
846<cite>:</cite>
847<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:03:44'>00:03:44</a></time>
848<p> And I was like, "What?"</p>
849<p> </p>
850<p> 56</p>
851<cite>:</cite>
852<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:03:47'>00:03:47</a></time>
853<p> And so then I went and became a</p>
854<p> high school intern at what was</p>
855<p> </p>
856<p> 57</p>
857<cite>:</cite>
858<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:03:50'>00:03:50</a></time>
859<p> then the Black Pine Animal Park.</p>
860<p> </p>
861<p> 58</p>
862<cite>:</cite>
863<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:03:54'>00:03:54</a></time>
864<p> And they were breeding tiger cubs and had</p>
865<p> baby monkeys and things of that nature.</p>
866<p> </p>
867<p> 59</p>
868<cite>:</cite>
869<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:04:00'>00:04:00</a></time>
870<p> And I was a high school intern</p>
871<p> there, still volunteered through</p>
872<p> </p>
873<p> 60</p>
874<cite>:</cite>
875<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:04:03'>00:04:03</a></time>
876<p> my freshman year of college.</p>
877<p> </p>
878<p> 61</p>
879<cite>:</cite>
880<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:04:05'>00:04:05</a></time>
881<p> And then when I got into the vet tech</p>
882<p> program, I wanted to really track</p>
883<p> </p>
884<p> 62</p>
885<cite>:</cite>
886<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:04:10'>00:04:10</a></time>
887<p> wildlife and exotics and created my own</p>
888<p> internships, went and did an internship</p>
889<p> </p>
890<p> 63</p>
891<cite>:</cite>
892<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:04:17'>00:04:17</a></time>
893<p> at the Wildlife Center of Virginia.</p>
894<p> </p>
895<p> 64</p>
896<cite>:</cite>
897<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:04:19'>00:04:19</a></time>
898<p> I was a wildlife rehabber volunteer</p>
899<p> through the Wildcat Wildlife Center</p>
900<p> </p>
901<p> 65</p>
902<cite>:</cite>
903<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:04:24'>00:04:24</a></time>
904<p> there in Delphi, Indiana, which</p>
905<p> is about an hour from Purdue.</p>
906<p> </p>
907<p> 66</p>
908<cite>:</cite>
909<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:04:29'>00:04:29</a></time>
910<p> And I also worked as a zookeeper during</p>
911<p> the summer at the Columbian Park Zoo.</p>
912<p> </p>
913<p> 67</p>
914<cite>:</cite>
915<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:04:35'>00:04:35</a></time>
916<p> So really started to get into it</p>
917<p> and learning everything I could</p>
918<p> </p>
919<p> 68</p>
920<cite>:</cite>
921<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:04:39'>00:04:39</a></time>
922<p> about exotics and wildlife, both,</p>
923<p> captive and the wild wildlife.</p>
924<p> </p>
925<p> 69</p>
926<cite>:</cite>
927<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:04:44'>00:04:44</a></time>
928<p> And so it really solidified I wanted</p>
929<p> to have my own center one day, not</p>
930<p> </p>
931<p> 70</p>
932<cite>:</cite>
933<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:04:48'>00:04:48</a></time>
934<p> knowing what it would be at that time.</p>
935<p> </p>
936<p> 71</p>
937<cite>:</cite>
938<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:04:51'>00:04:51</a></time>
939<p>
939 And so then I started working for</p>
940<p> PetSmart and working in their pet</p>
941<p> </p>
942<p> 72</p>
943<cite>:</cite>
944<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:05:00'>00:05:00</a></time>
945<p> care area, so the hamsters, guinea</p>
946<p> pigs, fish, all of that stuff, and</p>
947<p> </p>
948<p> 73</p>
949<cite>:</cite>
950<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:05:05'>00:05:05</a></time>
951<p> learning all, everything I could there.</p>
952<p> </p>
953<p> 74</p>
954<cite>:</cite>
955<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:05:07'>00:05:07</a></time>
956<p> But then I got passed up for a</p>
957<p> management position, and I was</p>
958<p> </p>
959<p> 75</p>
960<cite>:</cite>
961<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:05:11'>00:05:11</a></time>
962<p> like I can't continue to do this.</p>
963<p> </p>
964<p> 76</p>
965<cite>:</cite>
966<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:05:14'>00:05:14</a></time>
967<p> I need something else."</p>
968<p> </p>
969<p> 77</p>
970<cite>:</cite>
971<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:05:16'>00:05:16</a></time>
972<p> And so I became a dog groomer, but that</p>
973<p> gave me the financial financial ability</p>
974<p> </p>
975<p> 78</p>
976<cite>:</cite>
977<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:05:23'>00:05:23</a></time>
978<p> to become a wildlife rehabber again.</p>
979<p> </p>
980<p> 79</p>
981<cite>:</cite>
982<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:05:25'>00:05:25</a></time>
983<p> And so I was in Texas at the</p>
984<p> time, so I started doing a little</p>
985<p> </p>
986<p> 80</p>
987<cite>:</cite>
988<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:05:28'>00:05:28</a></time>
989<p> bit of wildlife rehab again.</p>
990<p> </p>
991<p> 81</p>
992<cite>:</cite>
993<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:05:29'>00:05:29</a></time>
994<p> And I was really good at management,</p>
995<p> and so I came back to Indiana when my</p>
996<p> </p>
997<p> 82</p>
998<cite>:</cite>
999<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:05:36'>00:05:36</a></time>
1000<p> sister had my nephew, and I was like,</p>
1001<p> "I really wanna get back into wildlife."</p>
1002<p> </p>
1003<p> 83</p>
1004<cite>:</cite>
1005<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:05:42'>00:05:42</a></time>
1006<p> And I left PetSmart and started</p>
1007<p> my own shop and went back to</p>
1008<p> </p>
1009<p> 84</p>
1010<cite>:</cite>
1011<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:05:45'>00:05:45</a></time>
1012<p> volunteering at what had now become</p>
1013<p> the Black Pine Animal Sanctuary.</p>
1014<p> </p>
1015<p> 85</p>
1016<cite>:</cite>
1017<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:05:50'>00:05:50</a></time>
1018<p> So no longer buying, selling,</p>
1019<p> breeding, trading, or using</p>
1020<p> </p>
1021<p> 86</p>
1022<cite>:</cite>
1023<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:05:53'>00:05:53</a></time>
1024<p> animals for entertainment.</p>
1025<p> </p>
1026<p> 87</p>
1027<cite>:</cite>
1028<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:05:55'>00:05:55</a></time>
1029<p> And so really learning the plight</p>
1030<p> of exotic wi- and wild animals in</p>
1031<p> </p>
1032<p> 88</p>
1033<cite>:</cite>
1034<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:06:00'>00:06:00</a></time>
1035<p> captivity, and the amount of animals</p>
1036<p> that needed placement and what</p>
1037<p> </p>
1038<p> 89</p>
1039<cite>:</cite>
1040<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:06:04'>00:06:04</a></time>
1041<p> the exotic pet trade was and just</p>
1042<p> everything that encompasses that.</p>
1043<p> </p>
1044<p> 90</p>
1045<cite>:</cite>
1046<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:06:09'>00:06:09</a></time>
1047<p> And I said, "Okay, this is my</p>
1048<p> niche," specifically bears, because</p>
1049<p> </p>
1050<p> 91</p>
1051<cite>:</cite>
1052<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:06:14'>00:06:14</a></time>
1053<p> I collected teddy bears growing up.</p>
1054<p> </p>
1055<p> 92</p>
1056<cite>:</cite>
1057<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:06:16'>00:06:16</a></time>
1058<p> I had bears all over the place.</p>
1059<p> </p>
1060<p> 93</p>
1061<cite>:</cite>
1062<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:06:18'>00:06:18</a></time>
1063<p> And when I had first started at the</p>
1064<p> Black Pine Animal Park, I met these</p>
1065<p> </p>
1066<p> 94</p>
1067<cite>:</cite>
1068<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:06:21'>00:06:21</a></time>
1069<p> two retired circus bears, and I learned</p>
1070<p> about what happens to circus bears.</p>
1071<p> </p>
1072<p> 95</p>
1073<cite>:</cite>
1074<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:06:27'>00:06:27</a></time>
1075<p> And so I was like, "Okay."</p>
1076<p> </p>
1077<p> 96</p>
1078<cite>:</cite>
1079<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:06:29'>00:06:29</a></time>
1080<p> And then coming back and becoming</p>
1081<p> the manager at the Black Pine Animal</p>
1082<p> </p>
1083<p> 97</p>
1084<cite>:</cite>
1085<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:06:33'>00:06:33</a></time>
1086<p> Sanctuary, no one wants to do bears.</p>
1087<p> </p>
1088<p> 98</p>
1089<cite>:</cite>
1090<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:06:36'>00:06:36</a></time>
1091<p> They dig, they climb they are</p>
1092<p>
1092 smarter than tigers and lions.</p>
1093<p> </p>
1094<p> 99</p>
1095<cite>:</cite>
1096<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:06:42'>00:06:42</a></time>
1097<p> They're smart like primates and</p>
1098<p> elephants, and they really became my</p>
1099<p> </p>
1100<p> 100</p>
1101<cite>:</cite>
1102<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:06:48'>00:06:48</a></time>
1103<p> favorite animal once again, basically.</p>
1104<p> </p>
1105<p> 101</p>
1106<cite>:</cite>
1107<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:06:51'>00:06:51</a></time>
1108<p> And I said, "I'm gonna start a sanctuary</p>
1109<p> for bears," because so many sanctuaries</p>
1110<p> </p>
1111<p> 102</p>
1112<cite>:</cite>
1113<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:06:56'>00:06:56</a></time>
1114<p> across the country, they're big cat</p>
1115<p> focused, they are reptile focused, they</p>
1116<p> </p>
1117<p> 103</p>
1118<cite>:</cite>
1119<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:07:01'>00:07:01</a></time>
1120<p> are parrot focused wolf dog focused.</p>
1121<p> </p>
1122<p> 104</p>
1123<cite>:</cite>
1124<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:07:04'>00:07:04</a></time>
1125<p> Nobody is focusing on bears</p>
1126<p> out of the exotic pet trade.</p>
1127<p> </p>
1128<p> 105</p>
1129<cite>:</cite>
1130<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:07:09'>00:07:09</a></time>
1131<p> So these are pets living</p>
1132<p> in people's backyards.</p>
1133<p> </p>
1134<p> 106</p>
1135<cite>:</cite>
1136<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:07:11'>00:07:11</a></time>
1137<p> These are from roadside zoos that are</p>
1138<p> closing down or being closed down.</p>
1139<p> </p>
1140<p> 107</p>
1141<cite>:</cite>
1142<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:07:17'>00:07:17</a></time>
1143<p> They are retired circus animals.</p>
1144<p> </p>
1145<p> 108</p>
1146<cite>:</cite>
1147<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:07:20'>00:07:20</a></time>
1148<p> Th- They're, they run the gamut.</p>
1149<p> </p>
1150<p> 109</p>
1151<cite>:</cite>
1152<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:07:22'>00:07:22</a></time>
1153<p> And in 2017, I found out that there was</p>
1154<p> 1,000 bears currently needing placement,</p>
1155<p> </p>
1156<p> 110</p>
1157<cite>:</cite>
1158<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:07:28'>00:07:28</a></time>
1159<p> and so that's when we started Bears Etc.</p>
1160<p> </p>
1161<p> 111</p>
1162<cite>:</cite>
1163<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:07:31'>00:07:31</a></time>
1164<p> That's when we got our nonprofit status.</p>
1165<p> </p>
1166<p> 112</p>
1167<cite>:</cite>
1168<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:07:33'>00:07:33</a></time>
1169<p> So we'll be celebrating our 10th</p>
1170<p> birthday, or our 10th bearthday, our</p>
1171<p> </p>
1172<p> 113</p>
1173<cite>:</cite>
1174<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:07:38'>00:07:38</a></time>
1175<p> 10-year bearthday in February of 2027.</p>
1176<p> </p>
1177<p> 114</p>
1178<cite>:</cite>
1179<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:07:42'>00:07:42</a></time>
1180<p> So we're gonna have a bearthday bash,</p>
1181<p> so we're pretty excited about that.</p>
1182<p> </p>
1183<p> 115</p>
1184<cite>:</cite>
1185<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:07:45'>00:07:45</a></time>
1186<p> So that's where we are today with</p>
1187<p> everything we've been doing and helping</p>
1188<p> </p>
1189<p> 116</p>
1190<cite>:</cite>
1191<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:07:49'>00:07:49</a></time>
1192<p> pass the Big Cat Public Safety Act,</p>
1193<p> and just advocating and fundraising and</p>
1194<p> </p>
1195<p> 117</p>
1196<cite>:</cite>
1197<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:07:54'>00:07:54</a></time>
1198<p> everything we can to make this happen.</p>
1199<p> </p>
1200<p> 118</p>
1201<cite>:</cite>
1202<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:07:57'>00:07:57</a></time>
1203<p> Dixie: That's amazing.</p>
1204<p> </p>
1205<p> 119</p>
1206<cite>:</cite>
1207<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:07:58'>00:07:58</a></time>
1208<p> When you first started, you got</p>
1209<p> into doing the wildlife rehab.</p>
1210<p> </p>
1211<p> 120</p>
1212<cite>:</cite>
1213<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:08:02'>00:08:02</a></time>
1214<p> What made you focus more on just exotics</p>
1215<p> and the wildlife in general, as opposed</p>
1216<p> </p>
1217<p> 121</p>
1218<cite>:</cite>
1219<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:08:09'>00:08:09</a></time>
1220<p> to going into helping cats and dogs,</p>
1221<p> since you did train as a vet tech?</p>
1222<p> </p>
1223<p> 122</p>
1224<cite>:</cite>
1225<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:08:14'>00:08:14</a></time>
1226<p> Kati: Really the wildlife that</p>
1227<p> I grew up seeing in the wild and</p>
1228<p> </p>
1229<p> 123</p>
1230<cite>:</cite>
1231<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:08:19'>00:08:19</a></time>
1232<p> the difference between the two.</p>
1233<p> </p>
1234<p> 124</p>
1235<cite>:</cite>
1236<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:08:23'>00:08:23</a></time>
1237<p> Wildlife rehab and release, yes, that</p>
1238<p> is great, but working in the veterinary</p>
1239<p> </p>
1240<p> 125</p>
1241<cite>:</cite>
1242<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:08:29'>00:08:29</a></time>
1243<p> hospital, it really opened my eyes to</p>
1244<p> the number of people that have exotic as</p>
1245<p> </p>
1246<p> 126</p>
1247<cite>:</cite>
1248<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:08:33'>00:08:33</a></time>
1249<p> pets and don't know anything about having</p>
1250<p>
1250 them except for they saw it on YouTube</p>
1251<p> </p>
1252<p> 127</p>
1253<cite>:</cite>
1254<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:08:38'>00:08:38</a></time>
1255<p> or saw it on Instagram or saw it on…</p>
1256<p> </p>
1257<p> 128</p>
1258<cite>:</cite>
1259<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:08:40'>00:08:40</a></time>
1260<p> they're like, "Oh, I got it because</p>
1261<p> of this," and then they were coming</p>
1262<p> </p>
1263<p> 129</p>
1264<cite>:</cite>
1265<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:08:43'>00:08:43</a></time>
1266<p> in sick on their deathbed because</p>
1267<p> they knew nothing about them.</p>
1268<p> </p>
1269<p> 130</p>
1270<cite>:</cite>
1271<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:08:46'>00:08:46</a></time>
1272<p> And when wild animals show that</p>
1273<p> they're sick, that means they're</p>
1274<p> </p>
1275<p> 131</p>
1276<cite>:</cite>
1277<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:08:49'>00:08:49</a></time>
1278<p> really sick, because wildlife</p>
1279<p> doesn't show that they're sick until</p>
1280<p> </p>
1281<p> 132</p>
1282<cite>:</cite>
1283<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:08:52'>00:08:52</a></time>
1284<p> they're on death's door, basically.</p>
1285<p> </p>
1286<p> 133</p>
1287<cite>:</cite>
1288<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:08:55'>00:08:55</a></time>
1289<p> So trying to save them and do more</p>
1290<p> education and, when people need help with</p>
1291<p> </p>
1292<p> 134</p>
1293<cite>:</cite>
1294<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:09:02'>00:09:02</a></time>
1295<p> them because they are sick or building a</p>
1296<p> ha- a proper habitat for them so they can</p>
1297<p> </p>
1298<p> 135</p>
1299<cite>:</cite>
1300<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:09:07'>00:09:07</a></time>
1301<p> thrive, they don't just live, they thrive.</p>
1302<p> </p>
1303<p> 136</p>
1304<cite>:</cite>
1305<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:09:09'>00:09:09</a></time>
1306<p> Like, all of that encompasses</p>
1307<p> everything that I wanted to do,</p>
1308<p> </p>
1309<p> 137</p>
1310<cite>:</cite>
1311<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:09:12'>00:09:12</a></time>
1312<p> and that's what we're doing.</p>
1313<p> </p>
1314<p> 138</p>
1315<cite>:</cite>
1316<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:09:14'>00:09:14</a></time>
1317<p> Dixie: You said that your eyes</p>
1318<p> became open to the bears when you</p>
1319<p> </p>
1320<p> 139</p>
1321<cite>:</cite>
1322<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:09:18'>00:09:18</a></time>
1323<p> came across these two circus bears.</p>
1324<p> </p>
1325<p> 140</p>
1326<cite>:</cite>
1327<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:09:20'>00:09:20</a></time>
1328<p> Can we go back to that and</p>
1329<p> discuss that a little bit?</p>
1330<p> </p>
1331<p> 141</p>
1332<cite>:</cite>
1333<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:09:23'>00:09:23</a></time>
1334<p> Because I don't think a lot of people</p>
1335<p> understand what's going on with this</p>
1336<p> </p>
1337<p> 142</p>
1338<cite>:</cite>
1339<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:09:28'>00:09:28</a></time>
1340<p> whole, circus, roadside zoo type thing.</p>
1341<p> </p>
1342<p> 143</p>
1343<cite>:</cite>
1344<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:09:31'>00:09:31</a></time>
1345<p> You know- Yeah … I'm not talking about</p>
1346<p> the animals that are in sanctuaries or</p>
1347<p> </p>
1348<p> 144</p>
1349<cite>:</cite>
1350<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:09:35'>00:09:35</a></time>
1351<p> that are in these zoos that- Yeah, ACC</p>
1352<p> </p>
1353<p> 145</p>
1354<cite>:</cite>
1355<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:09:38'>00:09:38</a></time>
1356<p> Kati: accredited</p>
1357<p> </p>
1358<p> 146</p>
1359<cite>:</cite>
1360<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:09:38'>00:09:38</a></time>
1361<p> Dixie: zoos.</p>
1362<p> </p>
1363<p> 147</p>
1364<cite>:</cite>
1365<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:09:38'>00:09:38</a></time>
1366<p> Kati: Yeah.</p>
1367<p> </p>
1368<p> 148</p>
1369<cite>:</cite>
1370<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:09:40'>00:09:40</a></time>
1371<p> And even then, each one has its- problems,</p>
1372<p> or just because they're accredited</p>
1373<p> </p>
1374<p> 149</p>
1375<cite>:</cite>
1376<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:09:45'>00:09:45</a></time>
1377<p> doesn't mean that their management are</p>
1378<p> the best in putting the animals first.</p>
1379<p> </p>
1380<p> 150</p>
1381<cite>:</cite>
1382<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:09:50'>00:09:50</a></time>
1383<p> The zookeepers put the animals first,</p>
1384<p> obviously but not always is management</p>
1385<p> </p>
1386<p> 151</p>
1387<cite>:</cite>
1388<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:09:54'>00:09:54</a></time>
1389<p> the best at putting the animals first.</p>
1390<p> </p>
1391<p> 152</p>
1392<cite>:</cite>
1393<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:09:56'>00:09:56</a></time>
1394<p> But back to the circus bears bears</p>
1395<p> will live 30 years in captivity.</p>
1396<p> </p>
1397<p> 153</p>
1398<cite>:</cite>
1399<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:10:03'>00:10:03</a></time>
1400<p> And so when they're performing and they're</p>
1401<p> sitting for long hours and traveling long</p>
1402<p> </p>
1403<p> 154</p>
1404<cite>:</cite>
1405<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:10:07'>00:10:07</a></time>
1406<p> hours, it just takes a toll on their body.</p>
1407<p> </p>
1408<p> 155</p>
1409<cite>:</cite>
1410<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:10:11'>00:10:11</a></time>
1411<p> There was a study done many years</p>
1412<p> ago, and I can't remember when,</p>
1413<p> </p>
1414<p> 156</p>
1415<cite>:</cite>
1416<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:10:15'>00:10:15</a></time>
1417<p> but they showed that a bear raised</p>
1418<p> on concrete or hard surfaces ha-</p>
1419<p> </p>
1420<p> 157</p>
1421<cite>:</cite>
1422<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:10:22'>00:10:22</a></time>
1423<p> has arthritis by the age of nine.</p>
1424<p> </p>
1425<p> 158</p>
1426<cite>:</cite>
1427<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:10:25'>00:10:25</a></time>
1428<p> And so they will live 20 years,</p>
1429<p> if quality of life is there,</p>
1430<p> </p>
1431<p> 159</p>
1432<cite>:</cite>
1433<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:10:30'>00:10:30</a></time>
1434<p> with arthritis and live in pain.</p>
1435<p> </p>
1436<p> 160</p>
1437<cite>:</cite>
1438<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:10:33'>00:10:33</a></time>
1439<p> What kind of quality of life is that?</p>
1440<p> </p>
1441<p> 161</p>
1442<cite>:</cite>
1443<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:10:35'>00:10:35</a></time>
1444<p> Th- it's not.</p>
1445<p> </p>
1446<p> 162</p>
1447<cite>:</cite>
1448<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:10:36'>00:10:36</a></time>
1449<p>
1449 And so traveling, their</p>
1450<p> bodies aren't used to bumps.</p>
1451<p> </p>
1452<p> 163</p>
1453<cite>:</cite>
1454<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:10:41'>00:10:41</a></time>
1455<p> They're not made for all that.</p>
1456<p> </p>
1457<p> 164</p>
1458<cite>:</cite>
1459<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:10:42'>00:10:42</a></time>
1460<p> If you've ever traveled long</p>
1461<p> distances, we travel all the time</p>
1462<p> </p>
1463<p> 165</p>
1464<cite>:</cite>
1465<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:10:46'>00:10:46</a></time>
1466<p> doing rescues and, a 24-hour ride in</p>
1467<p> the car is not always comfortable,</p>
1468<p> </p>
1469<p> 166</p>
1470<cite>:</cite>
1471<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:10:51'>00:10:51</a></time>
1472<p> even if you have comfortable seats.</p>
1473<p> </p>
1474<p> 167</p>
1475<cite>:</cite>
1476<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:10:53'>00:10:53</a></time>
1477<p> So riding on a hard surface in a cage</p>
1478<p> transported from here to there for,</p>
1479<p> </p>
1480<p> 168</p>
1481<cite>:</cite>
1482<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:10:58'>00:10:58</a></time>
1483<p> eight, nine months out of the year, one,</p>
1484<p> hurts after a while and the arthritis.</p>
1485<p> </p>
1486<p> 169</p>
1487<cite>:</cite>
1488<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:11:04'>00:11:04</a></time>
1489<p> Number two I saw a fifth generation</p>
1490<p> wild animal trainer beat one of</p>
1491<p> </p>
1492<p> 170</p>
1493<cite>:</cite>
1494<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:11:11'>00:11:11</a></time>
1495<p> his bears, and I was just like…</p>
1496<p> </p>
1497<p> 171</p>
1498<cite>:</cite>
1499<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:11:13'>00:11:13</a></time>
1500<p> Because he wouldn't do what he</p>
1501<p> wanted him to do, and he was doing it</p>
1502<p> </p>
1503<p> 172</p>
1504<cite>:</cite>
1505<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:11:17'>00:11:17</a></time>
1506<p> behind the scenes where nobody saw.</p>
1507<p> </p>
1508<p> 173</p>
1509<cite>:</cite>
1510<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:11:19'>00:11:19</a></time>
1511<p> And I was just like, "Oh my</p>
1512<p> gosh, I can't even believe this."</p>
1513<p> </p>
1514<p> 174</p>
1515<cite>:</cite>
1516<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:11:23'>00:11:23</a></time>
1517<p> And then being, not necessarily some</p>
1518<p> places starving animals in order</p>
1519<p> </p>
1520<p> 175</p>
1521<cite>:</cite>
1522<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:11:28'>00:11:28</a></time>
1523<p> for them to perform for the food.</p>
1524<p> </p>
1525<p> 176</p>
1526<cite>:</cite>
1527<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:11:30'>00:11:30</a></time>
1528<p> The the elephant, the hooks that they use</p>
1529<p> on, the bullhooks they use on elephants</p>
1530<p> </p>
1531<p> 177</p>
1532<cite>:</cite>
1533<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:11:37'>00:11:37</a></time>
1534<p> and the pain that causes, intimidating</p>
1535<p> them when they're little in order for</p>
1536<p> </p>
1537<p> 178</p>
1538<cite>:</cite>
1539<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:11:41'>00:11:41</a></time>
1540<p> them to listen once they're big and tying</p>
1541<p> them, when they're little so they can't</p>
1542<p> </p>
1543<p> 179</p>
1544<cite>:</cite>
1545<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:11:46'>00:11:46</a></time>
1546<p> move, so that way when they're big they</p>
1547<p> think they're tied, tight and don't move.</p>
1548<p> </p>
1549<p> 180</p>
1550<cite>:</cite>
1551<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:11:51'>00:11:51</a></time>
1552<p> And just the actual enrichment</p>
1553<p> of it all and what they</p>
1554<p> </p>
1555<p> 181</p>
1556<cite>:</cite>
1557<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:11:55'>00:11:55</a></time>
1558<p> receive when they're back home.</p>
1559<p> </p>
1560<p> 182</p>
1561<cite>:</cite>
1562<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:11:59'>00:11:59</a></time>
1563<p> They're just fed and put away, right?</p>
1564<p> </p>
1565<p> 183</p>
1566<cite>:</cite>
1567<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:12:02'>00:12:02</a></time>
1568<p> They aren't enriched like they are in</p>
1569<p> zoos, and they aren't there are things</p>
1570<p> </p>
1571<p> 184</p>
1572<cite>:</cite>
1573<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:12:07'>00:12:07</a></time>
1574<p> that happen behind the scenes that</p>
1575<p> nobody ever sees while they're on tour.</p>
1576<p> </p>
1577<p> 185</p>
1578<cite>:</cite>
1579<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:12:13'>00:12:13</a></time>
1580<p> Like, how are they treated once</p>
1581<p> they get back on the property?</p>
1582<p> </p>
1583<p> 186</p>
1584<cite>:</cite>
1585<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:12:16'>00:12:16</a></time>
1586<p> Are they just stuck in the backyard</p>
1587<p> until next year and just thrown food?</p>
1588<p> </p>
1589<p> 187</p>
1590<cite>:</cite>
1591<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:12:21'>00:12:21</a></time>
1592<p> It just…</p>
1593<p> </p>
1594<p> 188</p>
1595<cite>:</cite>
1596<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:12:22'>00:12:22</a></time>
1597<p> Yeah, there's a lot that goes on behind</p>
1598<p> the scenes that nobody knows about</p>
1599<p> </p>
1600<p> 189</p>
1601<cite>:</cite>
1602<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:12:27'>00:12:27</a></time>
1603<p> for those animals in those circuses Or</p>
1604<p> even those roadside attractions when</p>
1605<p> </p>
1606<p> 190</p>
1607<cite>:</cite>
1608<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:12:32'>00:12:32</a></time>
1609<p> you do pay-to-plays at these roadside</p>
1610<p> attractions when you're, thank goodness</p>
1611<p> </p>
1612<p> 191</p>
1613<cite>:</cite>
1614<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:12:36'>00:12:36</a></time>
1615<p> for the Big Cat Public Safety Act stopping</p>
1616<p> the, photo prop industry for big cats.</p>
1617<p> </p>
1618<p> 192</p>
1619<cite>:</cite>
1620<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:12:43'>00:12:43</a></time>
1621<p> But they still do it with bears.</p>
1622<p> </p>
1623<p> 193</p>
1624<cite>:</cite>
1625<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:12:44'>00:12:44</a></time>
1626<p> They still do it with wolves.</p>
1627<p> </p>
1628<p> 194</p>
1629<cite>:</cite>
1630<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:12:45'>00:12:45</a></time>
1631<p> They still do it with monkeys.</p>
1632<p> </p>
1633<p> 195</p>
1634<cite>:</cite>
1635<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:12:47'>00:12:47</a></time>
1636<p> They s- they still do it with</p>
1637<p> other animals, but, they're</p>
1638<p> </p>
1639<p> 196</p>
1640<cite>:</cite>
1641<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:12:50'>00:12:50</a></time>
1642<p> only fed when somebody pays to</p>
1643<p> have a picture taken with them.</p>
1644<p> </p>
1645<p> 197</p>
1646<cite>:</cite>
1647<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:12:55'>00:12:55</a></time>
1648<p> One of the worst last meal syndromes</p>
1649<p> I've ever seen was in a Syrian brown bear</p>
1650<p> </p>
1651<p> 198</p>
1652<cite>:</cite>
1653<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:13:00'>00:13:00</a></time>
1654<p> cub that was a part of that photo trade.</p>
1655<p> </p>
1656<p> 199</p>
1657<cite>:</cite>
1658<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:13:04'>00:13:04</a></time>
1659<p> And so they're on- they never get</p>
1660<p> satiated, especially, in the fall when</p>
1661<p> </p>
1662<p> 200</p>
1663<cite>:</cite>
1664<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:13:09'>00:13:09</a></time>
1665<p> they're going into their hyperphagia</p>
1666<p> when they're supposed to eat a lot.</p>
1667<p> </p>
1668<p> 201</p>
1669<cite>:</cite>
1670<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:13:12'>00:13:12</a></time>
1671<p> She just act like she was just starving</p>
1672<p>
1672 all of the time, and I just felt so</p>
1673<p> </p>
1674<p> 202</p>
1675<cite>:</cite>
1676<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:13:19'>00:13:19</a></time>
1677<p> bad because of where she came from</p>
1678<p> because they don't get full meals</p>
1679<p> </p>
1680<p> 203</p>
1681<cite>:</cite>
1682<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:13:23'>00:13:23</a></time>
1683<p> unless somebody is feeding them and</p>
1684<p> there's a lot of people in line to</p>
1685<p> </p>
1686<p> 204</p>
1687<cite>:</cite>
1688<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:13:27'>00:13:27</a></time>
1689<p> feed them that they get their full</p>
1690<p> bottles that they need for nutrition.</p>
1691<p> </p>
1692<p> 205</p>
1693<cite>:</cite>
1694<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:13:31'>00:13:31</a></time>
1695<p> And we also see a lot of they don't</p>
1696<p> feed them enough for them to grow, so</p>
1697<p> </p>
1698<p> 206</p>
1699<cite>:</cite>
1700<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:13:36'>00:13:36</a></time>
1701<p> they can lie about their age and use</p>
1702<p> them for longer to earn that money.</p>
1703<p> </p>
1704<p> 207</p>
1705<cite>:</cite>
1706<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:13:42'>00:13:42</a></time>
1707<p> We saw that with some white tigers that</p>
1708<p> Turpentine Creek rescued out of Colorado.</p>
1709<p> </p>
1710<p> 208</p>
1711<cite>:</cite>
1712<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:13:49'>00:13:49</a></time>
1713<p> They couldn't even walk because they</p>
1714<p> had metabolic bone disease so bad, and</p>
1715<p> </p>
1716<p> 209</p>
1717<cite>:</cite>
1718<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:13:54'>00:13:54</a></time>
1719<p> they lied about the age of the cubs.</p>
1720<p> </p>
1721<p> 210</p>
1722<cite>:</cite>
1723<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:13:57'>00:13:57</a></time>
1724<p> And so it's just really sad</p>
1725<p> what's happening out there</p>
1726<p> </p>
1727<p> 211</p>
1728<cite>:</cite>
1729<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:14:00'>00:14:00</a></time>
1730<p> for the almighty dollar.</p>
1731<p> </p>
1732<p> 212</p>
1733<cite>:</cite>
1734<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:14:01'>00:14:01</a></time>
1735<p> I won't go to circuses or roadside zoos</p>
1736<p> or if they offer any animal interaction</p>
1737<p> </p>
1738<p> 213</p>
1739<cite>:</cite>
1740<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:14:08'>00:14:08</a></time>
1741<p> I don't go to them because it's about</p>
1742<p> the money that animal brings in.</p>
1743<p> </p>
1744<p> 214</p>
1745<cite>:</cite>
1746<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:14:12'>00:14:12</a></time>
1747<p> It's not about the</p>
1748<p> well-being of that animal.</p>
1749<p> </p>
1750<p> 215</p>
1751<cite>:</cite>
1752<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:14:15'>00:14:15</a></time>
1753<p> Dixie: Yeah, absolutely.</p>
1754<p> </p>
1755<p> 216</p>
1756<cite>:</cite>
1757<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:14:16'>00:14:16</a></time>
1758<p> And when I was a teenager,</p>
1759<p> I didn't know all that.</p>
1760<p> </p>
1761<p> 217</p>
1762<cite>:</cite>
1763<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:14:20'>00:14:20</a></time>
1764<p> Kati: I didn't either</p>
1765<p> </p>
1766<p> 218</p>
1767<cite>:</cite>
1768<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:14:20'>00:14:20</a></time>
1769<p> …  Dixie: I thought it was like,</p>
1770<p> "Oh, look at these animals.</p>
1771<p> </p>
1772<p> 219</p>
1773<cite>:</cite>
1774<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:14:23'>00:14:23</a></time>
1775<p> These animals love these people.</p>
1776<p> </p>
1777<p> 220</p>
1778<cite>:</cite>
1779<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:14:24'>00:14:24</a></time>
1780<p> They're so well taken care of."</p>
1781<p> </p>
1782<p> 221</p>
1783<cite>:</cite>
1784<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:14:26'>00:14:26</a></time>
1785<p> And so I have to say that is one</p>
1786<p> good thing about the internet is that</p>
1787<p> </p>
1788<p> 222</p>
1789<cite>:</cite>
1790<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:14:31'>00:14:31</a></time>
1791<p> you got to see all that stuff that's</p>
1792<p> happening behind closed doors, and it</p>
1793<p> </p>
1794<p> 223</p>
1795<cite>:</cite>
1796<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:14:35'>00:14:35</a></time>
1797<p>
1797 really opens your eyes to it and you</p>
1798<p> realize, "Oh my gosh, I can't believe</p>
1799<p> </p>
1800<p> 224</p>
1801<cite>:</cite>
1802<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:14:39'>00:14:39</a></time>
1803<p> that I took a picture with a cub," or</p>
1804<p> </p>
1805<p> 225</p>
1806<cite>:</cite>
1807<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:14:41'>00:14:41</a></time>
1808<p> Kati: yeah.</p>
1809<p> </p>
1810<p> 226</p>
1811<cite>:</cite>
1812<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:14:42'>00:14:42</a></time>
1813<p> Yeah.</p>
1814<p> </p>
1815<p> 227</p>
1816<cite>:</cite>
1817<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:14:42'>00:14:42</a></time>
1818<p> Dixie: It's really insane.</p>
1819<p> </p>
1820<p> 228</p>
1821<cite>:</cite>
1822<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:14:44'>00:14:44</a></time>
1823<p> How do you come about</p>
1824<p> the bears that you get?</p>
1825<p> </p>
1826<p> 229</p>
1827<cite>:</cite>
1828<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:14:47'>00:14:47</a></time>
1829<p> Do people contact you?</p>
1830<p> </p>
1831<p> 230</p>
1832<cite>:</cite>
1833<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:14:49'>00:14:49</a></time>
1834<p> Are they rescued?</p>
1835<p> </p>
1836<p> 231</p>
1837<cite>:</cite>
1838<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:14:52'>00:14:52</a></time>
1839<p> Kati: It really runs the gamut.</p>
1840<p> </p>
1841<p> 232</p>
1842<cite>:</cite>
1843<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:14:54'>00:14:54</a></time>
1844<p> Sometimes we have private owners contact</p>
1845<p> us, they just can't do it anymore.</p>
1846<p> </p>
1847<p> 233</p>
1848<cite>:</cite>
1849<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:14:59'>00:14:59</a></time>
1850<p> One gentleman was dying of cancer and</p>
1851<p> so we got a phone call from his sister.</p>
1852<p> </p>
1853<p> 234</p>
1854<cite>:</cite>
1855<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:15:04'>00:15:04</a></time>
1856<p> We get USDA, US Fish and</p>
1857<p> Wildlife, Texas Parks and</p>
1858<p> </p>
1859<p> 235</p>
1860<cite>:</cite>
1861<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:15:08'>00:15:08</a></time>
1862<p> Wildlife, animal control agencies.</p>
1863<p> </p>
1864<p> 236</p>
1865<cite>:</cite>
1866<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:15:10'>00:15:10</a></time>
1867<p> And we actually, Some of the</p>
1868<p> animals that we take in, there's</p>
1869<p> </p>
1870<p> 237</p>
1871<cite>:</cite>
1872<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:15:14'>00:15:14</a></time>
1873<p> an et cetera part of Bears Etc.</p>
1874<p> </p>
1875<p> 238</p>
1876<cite>:</cite>
1877<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:15:16'>00:15:16</a></time>
1878<p> While our focus is bears, some of</p>
1879<p> the et cetera animals, we had to stop</p>
1880<p> </p>
1881<p> 239</p>
1882<cite>:</cite>
1883<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:15:21'>00:15:21</a></time>
1884<p> taking in from the public and put</p>
1885<p> a basically, we will not take from</p>
1886<p> </p>
1887<p> 240</p>
1888<cite>:</cite>
1889<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:15:27'>00:15:27</a></time>
1890<p> the public person unless it's, large</p>
1891<p> carnivores, so bears, tigers, lion- or</p>
1892<p> </p>
1893<p> 241</p>
1894<cite>:</cite>
1895<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:15:32'>00:15:32</a></time>
1896<p> if it's from a gov- governmental agency.</p>
1897<p> </p>
1898<p> 242</p>
1899<cite>:</cite>
1900<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:15:35'>00:15:35</a></time>
1901<p> We because we were just getting so</p>
1902<p> many calls for snakes, bearded dragons,</p>
1903<p> </p>
1904<p> 243</p>
1905<cite>:</cite>
1906<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:15:39'>00:15:39</a></time>
1907<p> kinkajous, coati mundis, like all</p>
1908<p> of these animals that were needing</p>
1909<p> </p>
1910<p> 244</p>
1911<cite>:</cite>
1912<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:15:44'>00:15:44</a></time>
1913<p> placement, and we couldn't sustain that.</p>
1914<p> </p>
1915<p> 245</p>
1916<cite>:</cite>
1917<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:15:47'>00:15:47</a></time>
1918<p> We can't say yes to every animal.</p>
1919<p> </p>
1920<p> 246</p>
1921<cite>:</cite>
1922<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:15:49'>00:15:49</a></time>
1923<p> We have to stay focused, and so</p>
1924<p> we are not their backup plan.</p>
1925<p> </p>
1926<p> 247</p>
1927<cite>:</cite>
1928<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:15:53'>00:15:53</a></time>
1929<p> "Oh, I'm gonna get this animal,</p>
1930<p> and if it doesn't work out,</p>
1931<p> </p>
1932<p> 248</p>
1933<cite>:</cite>
1934<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:15:55'>
193400:15:55</a></time>
1935<p> I'm just gonna call Bears Etc.,</p>
1936<p> </p>
1937<p> 249</p>
1938<cite>:</cite>
1939<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:15:57'>00:15:57</a></time>
1940<p> and they'll take it."</p>
1941<p> </p>
1942<p> 250</p>
1943<cite>:</cite>
1944<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:15:58'>00:15:58</a></time>
1945<p> We are not people's backup plan.</p>
1946<p> </p>
1947<p> 251</p>
1948<cite>:</cite>
1949<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:15:59'>00:15:59</a></time>
1950<p> We have to pick and choose, who we're</p>
1951<p> gonna take in and or who, how are</p>
1952<p> </p>
1953<p> 252</p>
1954<cite>:</cite>
1955<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:16:06'>00:16:06</a></time>
1956<p> we gonna help find placement for the</p>
1957<p> animals and things of that nature,</p>
1958<p> </p>
1959<p> 253</p>
1960<cite>:</cite>
1961<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:16:10'>00:16:10</a></time>
1962<p> because we can't say yes to everything.</p>
1963<p> </p>
1964<p> 254</p>
1965<cite>:</cite>
1966<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:16:12'>00:16:12</a></time>
1967<p> But we get a lot of calls, and</p>
1968<p> it's just increasing as more and</p>
1969<p> </p>
1970<p> 255</p>
1971<cite>:</cite>
1972<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:16:16'>00:16:16</a></time>
1973<p> more places are closing down.</p>
1974<p> </p>
1975<p> 256</p>
1976<cite>:</cite>
1977<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:16:18'>00:16:18</a></time>
1978<p> More and more places are getting</p>
1979<p> shut down by governmental agencies.</p>
1980<p> </p>
1981<p> 257</p>
1982<cite>:</cite>
1983<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:16:23'>00:16:23</a></time>
1984<p> And yeah, we j- we can help</p>
1985<p> transport, like our four fo- fox</p>
1986<p> </p>
1987<p> 258</p>
1988<cite>:</cite>
1989<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:16:27'>00:16:27</a></time>
1990<p> that we have, the Fox-Tastic Four.</p>
1991<p> </p>
1992<p> 259</p>
1993<cite>:</cite>
1994<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:16:29'>00:16:29</a></time>
1995<p> We helped with the transport</p>
1996<p> and networking of the animals</p>
1997<p> </p>
1998<p> 260</p>
1999<cite>:</cite>
2000<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:16:35'>00:16:35</a></time>
2001<p> from an Ashtabula fur farm,</p>
2002<p> and so we can help transport.</p>
2003<p> </p>
2004<p> 261</p>
2005<cite>:</cite>
2006<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:16:38'>00:16:38</a></time>
2007<p> We've helped several organizations</p>
2008<p> transport primates and fox and</p>
2009<p> </p>
2010<p> 262</p>
2011<cite>:</cite>
2012<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:16:43'>00:16:43</a></time>
2013<p> skunks and wolf dogs and y- you</p>
2014<p> know, all of that we can do.</p>
2015<p> </p>
2016<p> 263</p>
2017<cite>:</cite>
2018<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:16:48'>00:16:48</a></time>
2019<p> But we can't always say yes to placement.</p>
2020<p> </p>
2021<p> 264</p>
2022<cite>:</cite>
2023<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:16:50'>00:16:50</a></time>
2024<p> But we can definitely</p>
2025<p> network and help transport.</p>
2026<p> </p>
2027<p> 265</p>
2028<cite>:</cite>
2029<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:16:54'>00:16:54</a></time>
2030<p> Dixie: How many residents do</p>
2031<p> you have at the sanctuary?</p>
2032<p> </p>
2033<p> 266</p>
2034<cite>:</cite>
2035<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:16:57'>00:16:57</a></time>
2036<p> And also, since you did mention the et</p>
2037<p> cetera part of your name, Bears Etc.,</p>
2038<p> </p>
2039<p> 267</p>
2040<cite>:</cite>
2041<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:17:02'>00:17:02</a></time>
2042<p> what are the other resident</p>
2043<p> species that you have?</p>
2044<p> </p>
2045<p> 268</p>
2046<cite>:</cite>
2047<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:17:06'>00:17:06</a></time>
2048<p> Kati: So our four fur farm foxes,</p>
2049<p> we have exotic birds and reptiles.</p>
2050<p> </p>
2051<p> 269</p>
2052<cite>:</cite>
2053<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:17:09'>00:17:09</a></time>
2054<p> So we have small and medium parrots.</p>
2055<p> </p>
2056<p> 270</p>
2057<cite>:</cite>
2058<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:17:12'>00:17:12</a></time>
2059<p> We have tortoises.</p>
2060<p> </p>
2061<p> 271</p>
2062<cite>:</cite>
2063<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:17:14'>00:17:14</a></time>
2064<p> W- we have about 70 animals currently.</p>
2065<p> </p>
2066<p> 272</p>
2067<cite>:</cite>
2068<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:17:19'>00:17:19</a></time>
2069<p> Dixie: And how many of those are bears?</p>
2070<p> </p>
2071<p> 273</p>
2072<cite>:</cite>
2073<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:17:21'>00:17:21</a></time>
2074<p> Kati: So we actually have</p>
2075<p> zero bears right now.</p>
2076<p> </p>
2077<p> 274</p>
2078<cite>:</cite>
2079<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:17:24'>00:17:24</a></time>
2080<p> Dixie: Okay.</p>
2081<p> </p>
2082<p> 275</p>
2083<cite>:</cite>
2084<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:17:25'>00:17:25</a></time>
2085<p> And can I ask</p>
2086<p> </p>
2087<p> 276</p>
2088<cite>:</cite>
2089<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:17:26'>00:17:26</a></time>
2090<p> Kati: why-</p>
2091<p> </p>
2092<p> 277</p>
2093<cite>:</cite>
2094<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:17:26'>00:17:26</a></time>
2095<p> Dixie: So- … there's no bears right now?</p>
2096<p> </p>
2097<p> 278</p>
2098<cite>:</cite>
2099<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:17:28'>00:17:28</a></time>
2100<p> Kati: Yeah.</p>
2101<p> </p>
2102<p> 279</p>
2103<cite>:</cite>
2104<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:17:29'>00:17:29</a></time>
2105<p> The reason being is, one, we started</p>
2106<p> on a half acre and we now have</p>
2107<p> </p>
2108<p>
2108 280</p>
2109<cite>:</cite>
2110<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:17:33'>00:17:33</a></time>
2111<p> three acres, so we're growing.</p>
2112<p> </p>
2113<p> 281</p>
2114<cite>:</cite>
2115<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:17:35'>00:17:35</a></time>
2116<p> That doesn't mean the bears aren't coming.</p>
2117<p> </p>
2118<p> 282</p>
2119<cite>:</cite>
2120<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:17:38'>00:17:38</a></time>
2121<p> But we also had to make sure</p>
2122<p> that we had enough volunteers</p>
2123<p> </p>
2124<p> 283</p>
2125<cite>:</cite>
2126<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:17:41'>00:17:41</a></time>
2127<p> when we moved to our three acres.</p>
2128<p> </p>
2129<p> 284</p>
2130<cite>:</cite>
2131<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:17:44'>00:17:44</a></time>
2132<p> We moved an hour away from where</p>
2133<p> we were before and lost all of</p>
2134<p> </p>
2135<p> 285</p>
2136<cite>:</cite>
2137<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:17:47'>00:17:47</a></time>
2138<p> our volunteers, so we had to start</p>
2139<p> all over again with volunteers.</p>
2140<p> </p>
2141<p> 286</p>
2142<cite>:</cite>
2143<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:17:51'>00:17:51</a></time>
2144<p> We have to have trained volunteers.</p>
2145<p> </p>
2146<p> 287</p>
2147<cite>:</cite>
2148<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:17:53'>00:17:53</a></time>
2149<p> You can't just have someone</p>
2150<p> go take care of bears, right?</p>
2151<p> </p>
2152<p> 288</p>
2153<cite>:</cite>
2154<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:17:57'>00:17:57</a></time>
2155<p> So they start taking care</p>
2156<p> of our birds and reptiles.</p>
2157<p> </p>
2158<p> 289</p>
2159<cite>:</cite>
2160<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:17:59'>00:17:59</a></time>
2161<p> We have five levels of caretakers.</p>
2162<p> </p>
2163<p> 290</p>
2164<cite>:</cite>
2165<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:18:02'>00:18:02</a></time>
2166<p> So we have our, level one, which</p>
2167<p> are our parakeets and our tortoises.</p>
2168<p> </p>
2169<p> 291</p>
2170<cite>:</cite>
2171<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:18:05'>00:18:05</a></time>
2172<p> Level two are our smaller parrots.</p>
2173<p> </p>
2174<p> 292</p>
2175<cite>:</cite>
2176<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:18:07'>00:18:07</a></time>
2177<p> It's based on how bad can they harm you.</p>
2178<p> </p>
2179<p> 293</p>
2180<cite>:</cite>
2181<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:18:10'>00:18:10</a></time>
2182<p> So some of our parrots, they bite,</p>
2183<p> and especially if they have multiple</p>
2184<p> </p>
2185<p> 294</p>
2186<cite>:</cite>
2187<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:18:14'>00:18:14</a></time>
2188<p> housed, because they've come</p>
2189<p> from bad, neglectful situations.</p>
2190<p> </p>
2191<p> 295</p>
2192<cite>:</cite>
2193<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:18:17'>00:18:17</a></time>
2194<p> So then we have our level</p>
2195<p> three, which are our fox.</p>
2196<p> </p>
2197<p> 296</p>
2198<cite>:</cite>
2199<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:18:19'>00:18:19</a></time>
2200<p> They're multi-housed fox or</p>
2201<p> single-housed small carnivores, so such</p>
2202<p> </p>
2203<p> 297</p>
2204<cite>:</cite>
2205<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:18:24'>00:18:24</a></time>
2206<p> as bobcats and things of that nature.</p>
2207<p> </p>
2208<p> 298</p>
2209<cite>:</cite>
2210<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:18:26'>00:18:26</a></time>
2211<p> And then we have our level four, which</p>
2212<p> is our multi-housed small carnivores</p>
2213<p> </p>
2214<p> 299</p>
2215<cite>:</cite>
2216<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:18:30'>00:18:30</a></time>
2217<p> or singly housed large carnivores.</p>
2218<p> </p>
2219<p> 300</p>
2220<cite>:</cite>
2221<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:18:33'>00:18:33</a></time>
2222<p> And then our level five would be</p>
2223<p> our multi-housed large carnivores.</p>
2224<p> </p>
2225<p> 301</p>
2226<cite>:</cite>
2227<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:18:38'>00:18:38</a></time>
2228<p> And we had to make sure that</p>
2229<p> we have volunteers trained up</p>
2230<p> </p>
2231<p> 302</p>
2232<cite>:</cite>
2233<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:18:43'>00:18:43</a></time>
2234<p> in order to take care of them.</p>
2235<p> </p>
2236<p> 303</p>
2237<cite>:</cite>
2238<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:18:44'>00:18:44</a></time>
2239<p> That's the first thing.</p>
2240<p> </p>
2241<p> 304</p>
2242<cite>:</cite>
2243<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:18:46'>00:18:46</a></time>
2244<p> We have enough volunteers to</p>
2245<p> take care of them at that level.</p>
2246<p> </p>
2247<p> 305</p>
2248<cite>:</cite>
2249<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:18:50'>00:18:50</a></time>
2250<p> So are they getting, two</p>
2251<p> to three meals a day?</p>
2252<p> </p>
2253<p> 306</p>
2254<cite>:</cite>
2255<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:18:53'>00:18:53</a></time>
2256<p> Are they getting enrichment</p>
2257<p> two to three times a day?</p>
2258<p> </p>
2259<p> 307</p>
2260<cite>:</cite>
2261<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:18:56'>00:18:56</a></time>
2262<p> Are they getting everything</p>
2263<p> they need to thrive?</p>
2264<p> </p>
2265<p> 308</p>
2266<cite>:</cite>
2267<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:18:58'>00:18:58</a></time>
2268<p> That's the goal.</p>
2269<p> </p>
2270<p> 309</p>
2271<cite>:</cite>
2272<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:18:59'>00:18:59</a></time>
2273<p> We want them to thrive.</p>
2274<p> </p>
2275<p> 310</p>
2276<cite>:</cite>
2277<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:19:00'>00:19:00</a></time>
2278<p>
2278 We w- don't want them</p>
2279<p> to just rescue and live.</p>
2280<p> </p>
2281<p> 311</p>
2282<cite>:</cite>
2283<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:19:03'>00:19:03</a></time>
2284<p> We want them to be able to thrive.</p>
2285<p> </p>
2286<p> 312</p>
2287<cite>:</cite>
2288<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:19:05'>00:19:05</a></time>
2289<p> And we now are to a</p>
2290<p> place where we have that.</p>
2291<p> </p>
2292<p> 313</p>
2293<cite>:</cite>
2294<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:19:09'>00:19:09</a></time>
2295<p> And the last thing is donations.</p>
2296<p> </p>
2297<p> 314</p>
2298<cite>:</cite>
2299<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:19:12'>00:19:12</a></time>
2300<p> Bears are really expensive to keep.</p>
2301<p> </p>
2302<p> 315</p>
2303<cite>:</cite>
2304<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:19:15'>00:19:15</a></time>
2305<p> They require a lot of enrichment.</p>
2306<p> </p>
2307<p> 316</p>
2308<cite>:</cite>
2309<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:19:17'>00:19:17</a></time>
2310<p> They destroy stuff.</p>
2311<p> </p>
2312<p> 317</p>
2313<cite>:</cite>
2314<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:19:19'>00:19:19</a></time>
2315<p> They're…</p>
2316<p> </p>
2317<p> 318</p>
2318<cite>:</cite>
2319<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:19:20'>00:19:20</a></time>
2320<p> They don't sleep 20 out of 24</p>
2321<p> hours a day like big cats do.</p>
2322<p> </p>
2323<p> 319</p>
2324<cite>:</cite>
2325<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:19:24'>00:19:24</a></time>
2326<p> They're awake a lot and</p>
2327<p> very active and very strong.</p>
2328<p> </p>
2329<p> 320</p>
2330<cite>:</cite>
2331<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:19:27'>00:19:27</a></time>
2332<p> Their muscles are nine</p>
2333<p> times denser than ours.</p>
2334<p> </p>
2335<p> 321</p>
2336<cite>:</cite>
2337<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:19:30'>00:19:30</a></time>
2338<p> And so we have to make sure that things</p>
2339<p> are secure in order to house them.</p>
2340<p> </p>
2341<p> 322</p>
2342<cite>:</cite>
2343<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:19:35'>00:19:35</a></time>
2344<p> So all that to say they're a problem.</p>
2345<p> </p>
2346<p> 323</p>
2347<cite>:</cite>
2348<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:19:38'>00:19:38</a></time>
2349<p> And we wanted to make sure that</p>
2350<p> we could be successful with them</p>
2351<p> </p>
2352<p> 324</p>
2353<cite>:</cite>
2354<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:19:45'>00:19:45</a></time>
2355<p> and in order for them to thrive.</p>
2356<p> </p>
2357<p> 325</p>
2358<cite>:</cite>
2359<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:19:47'>00:19:47</a></time>
2360<p> So now that we have appropriate donations</p>
2361<p> coming in both food-wise and dollar-wise</p>
2362<p> </p>
2363<p> 326</p>
2364<cite>:</cite>
2365<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:19:54'>00:19:54</a></time>
2366<p> we have a partnership with Walmart.</p>
2367<p> </p>
2368<p> 327</p>
2369<cite>:</cite>
2370<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:19:56'>00:19:56</a></time>
2371<p> We get produce and meat</p>
2372<p> from Walmart every Friday.</p>
2373<p> </p>
2374<p> 328</p>
2375<cite>:</cite>
2376<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:20:00'>00:20:00</a></time>
2377<p> So we have that coming in.</p>
2378<p> </p>
2379<p> 329</p>
2380<cite>:</cite>
2381<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:20:01'>00:20:01</a></time>
2382<p> We have a vendor that we can</p>
2383<p> get wholesale produce and meat</p>
2384<p> </p>
2385<p> 330</p>
2386<cite>:</cite>
2387<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:20:06'>00:20:06</a></time>
2388<p> from as well that's close by.</p>
2389<p> </p>
2390<p> 331</p>
2391<cite>:</cite>
2392<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:20:09'>00:20:09</a></time>
2393<p> So we have that.</p>
2394<p> </p>
2395<p> 332</p>
2396<cite>:</cite>
2397<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:20:10'>00:20:10</a></time>
2398<p> So it takes planning in order</p>
2399<p> to take in this type of animal.</p>
2400<p> </p>
2401<p> 333</p>
2402<cite>:</cite>
2403<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:20:16'>00:20:16</a></time>
2404<p> It's not just something you can, you</p>
2405<p> know, throw in an enclosure and it'll</p>
2406<p> </p>
2407<p> 334</p>
2408<cite>:</cite>
2409<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:20:19'>00:20:19</a></time>
2410<p> thrive like some of your prey species,</p>
2411<p> your hoofstock and stuff like that.</p>
2412<p> </p>
2413<p> 335</p>
2414<cite>:</cite>
2415<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:20:24'>00:20:24</a></time>
2416<p> Even the tortoises, they require some</p>
2417<p> sort of enrichment in order to thrive.</p>
2418<p> </p>
2419<p> 336</p>
2420<cite>:</cite>
2421<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:20:28'>00:20:28</a></time>
2422<p> They have digging areas.</p>
2423<p> </p>
2424<p> 337</p>
2425<cite>:</cite>
2426<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:20:29'>00:20:29</a></time>
2427<p> There, there needs to be a whole</p>
2428<p> plan that people miss out on.</p>
2429<p> </p>
2430<p> 338</p>
2431<cite>:</cite>
2432<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:20:34'>00:20:34</a></time>
2433<p> Sorry, my dog is reverse</p>
2434<p> sneezing right now.</p>
2435<p> </p>
2436<p> 339</p>
2437<cite>:</cite>
2438<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:20:37'>00:20:37</a></time>
2439<p> There needs to be a whole plan if</p>
2440<p> you're going to have these animals</p>
2441<p> </p>
2442<p> 340</p>
2443<cite>:</cite>
2444<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:20:40'>00:20:40</a></time>
2445<p> in order for them to thrive.</p>
2446<p> </p>
2447<p> 341</p>
2448<cite>:</cite>
2449<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:20:41'>00:20:41</a></time>
2450<p> You can't just throw a</p>
2451<p> tortoise in a backyard.</p>
2452<p> </p>
2453<p> 342</p>
2454<cite>:</cite>
2455<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:20:43'>00:20:43</a></time>
2456<p> So every time we think about taking</p>
2457<p> in an animal we have those plans.</p>
2458<p> </p>
2459<p> 343</p>
2460<cite>:</cite>
2461<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:20:49'>00:20:49</a></time>
2462<p> And to take in bears, we have to</p>
2463<p> have those plans as well, and we do.</p>
2464<p> </p>
2465<p> 344</p>
2466<cite>:</cite>
2467<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:20:54'>00:20:54</a></time>
2468<p> We have everything available that</p>
2469<p> we can start taking in bears now.</p>
2470<p> </p>
2471<p> 345</p>
2472<cite>:</cite>
2473<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:20:59'>00:20:59</a></time>
2474<p> Dixie: You mentioned the</p>
2475<p> different levels of the animals</p>
2476<p> </p>
2477<p> 346</p>
2478<cite>:</cite>
2479<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:21:02'>00:21:02</a></time>
2480<p> and the, for the volunteers.</p>
2481<p> </p>
2482<p> 347</p>
2483<cite>:</cite>
2484<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:21:05'>00:21:05</a></time>
2485<p> When somebody comes to you and they</p>
2486<p> wanna volunteer, do you train them</p>
2487<p> </p>
2488<p> 348</p>
2489<cite>:</cite>
2490<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:21:10'>00:21:10</a></time>
2491<p> or do you require that they go to</p>
2492<p> some kind of outside training first?</p>
2493<p> </p>
2494<p> 349</p>
2495<cite>:</cite>
2496<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:21:14'>00:21:14</a></time>
2497<p> Kati: We train them up, and we actually</p>
2498<p> prefer that you have no experience.</p>
2499<p> </p>
2500<p> 350</p>
2501<cite>:</cite>
2502<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:21:20'>00:21:20</a></time>
2503<p> So that way you don't come with bad</p>
2504<p> habits or, everybody wants to touch</p>
2505<p> </p>
2506<p> 351</p>
2507<cite>:</cite>
2508<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:21:24'>00:21:24</a></time>
2509<p> and pet and stuff like that, and wild</p>
2510<p> animals don't necessarily like that.</p>
2511<p> </p>
2512<p> 352</p>
2513<cite>:</cite>
2514<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:21:29'>00:21:29</a></time>
2515<p> And so the expectations of we are pr-</p>
2516<p>
2516 protected contact, that means that there</p>
2517<p> </p>
2518<p> 353</p>
2519<cite>:</cite>
2520<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:21:35'>00:21:35</a></time>
2521<p> is a enclosure wall between you and</p>
2522<p> carnivores, and so we don't pet the fox.</p>
2523<p> </p>
2524<p> 354</p>
2525<cite>:</cite>
2526<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:21:41'>00:21:41</a></time>
2527<p> And so I interview them</p>
2528<p> just like job interview.</p>
2529<p> </p>
2530<p> 355</p>
2531<cite>:</cite>
2532<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:21:44'>00:21:44</a></time>
2533<p> We'll do a phone interview, and</p>
2534<p> we'll bring them out, and I watch</p>
2535<p> </p>
2536<p> 356</p>
2537<cite>:</cite>
2538<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:21:47'>00:21:47</a></time>
2539<p> their body language, and I watch</p>
2540<p> how they react around the animals.</p>
2541<p> </p>
2542<p> 357</p>
2543<cite>:</cite>
2544<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:21:52'>00:21:52</a></time>
2545<p> And then if they are a good</p>
2546<p> fit, then we train them up.</p>
2547<p> </p>
2548<p> 358</p>
2549<cite>:</cite>
2550<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:21:57'>00:21:57</a></time>
2551<p> You start by doing diets</p>
2552<p> and doing the small animals.</p>
2553<p> </p>
2554<p> 359</p>
2555<cite>:</cite>
2556<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:21:59'>00:21:59</a></time>
2557<p> The expectation is you start from square</p>
2558<p> one with your training no matter what</p>
2559<p> </p>
2560<p> 360</p>
2561<cite>:</cite>
2562<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:22:05'>00:22:05</a></time>
2563<p> experience you have because everybody</p>
2564<p> has to start there in order to be fair.</p>
2565<p> </p>
2566<p> 361</p>
2567<cite>:</cite>
2568<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:22:10'>00:22:10</a></time>
2569<p> And then some people that come with</p>
2570<p> experience, they move up quickly.</p>
2571<p> </p>
2572<p> 362</p>
2573<cite>:</cite>
2574<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:22:14'>00:22:14</a></time>
2575<p> Other people that have zero</p>
2576<p> experience don't move up as quickly.</p>
2577<p> </p>
2578<p> 363</p>
2579<cite>:</cite>
2580<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:22:18'>00:22:18</a></time>
2581<p> Some people will never be out here</p>
2582<p> enough to build relationships with</p>
2583<p> </p>
2584<p> 364</p>
2585<cite>:</cite>
2586<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:22:22'>00:22:22</a></time>
2587<p> the fox in order to shift them.</p>
2588<p> </p>
2589<p> 365</p>
2590<cite>:</cite>
2591<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:22:24'>00:22:24</a></time>
2592<p> Same with, when we get bears</p>
2593<p> there'll be special training.</p>
2594<p> </p>
2595<p> 366</p>
2596<cite>:</cite>
2597<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:22:27'>00:22:27</a></time>
2598<p> And some people I won't be able</p>
2599<p> to not necessarily trust, but it</p>
2600<p> </p>
2601<p> 367</p>
2602<cite>:</cite>
2603<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:22:33'>00:22:33</a></time>
2604<p> takes a special person to be able</p>
2605<p> to build those relationships in</p>
2606<p> </p>
2607<p> 368</p>
2608<cite>:</cite>
2609<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:22:36'>00:22:36</a></time>
2610<p> order to get them to shift safely.</p>
2611<p> </p>
2612<p> 369</p>
2613<cite>:</cite>
2614<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:22:39'>00:22:39</a></time>
2615<p> And it takes two people on the</p>
2616<p> same shift in order to shift</p>
2617<p> </p>
2618<p> 370</p>
2619<cite>:</cite>
2620<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:22:42'>00:22:42</a></time>
2621<p> them safely and double-checking</p>
2622<p> locks and, having a backup.</p>
2623<p> </p>
2624<p> 371</p>
2625<cite>:</cite>
2626<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:22:46'>00:22:46</a></time>
2627<p> There, there's a lot of</p>
2628<p> things that go into that.</p>
2629<p> </p>
2630<p> 372</p>
2631<cite>:</cite>
2632<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:22:49'>00:22:49</a></time>
2633<p> But yeah, not everybody makes it</p>
2634<p> there at the same amount of time.</p>
2635<p> </p>
2636<p> 373</p>
2637<cite>:</cite>
2638<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:22:54'>00:22:54</a></time>
2639<p> We have different structures</p>
2640<p> of things you need to meet.</p>
2641<p> </p>
2642<p> 374</p>
2643<cite>:</cite>
2644<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:22:58'>00:22:58</a></time>
2645<p> Are you grabbing everything</p>
2646<p> you need to go into enclosure?</p>
2647<p> </p>
2648<p> 375</p>
2649<cite>:</cite>
2650<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:23:02'>00:23:02</a></time>
2651<p> Because the more times you have to</p>
2652<p> open and close that door, the more</p>
2653<p> </p>
2654<p> 376</p>
2655<cite>:</cite>
2656<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:23:06'>00:23:06</a></time>
2657<p>
2657 likely you are to have an incident.</p>
2658<p> </p>
2659<p> 377</p>
2660<cite>:</cite>
2661<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:23:08'>00:23:08</a></time>
2662<p> So do you have all your food?</p>
2663<p> </p>
2664<p> 378</p>
2665<cite>:</cite>
2666<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:23:10'>00:23:10</a></time>
2667<p> Do you have all of your buckets?</p>
2668<p> </p>
2669<p> 379</p>
2670<cite>:</cite>
2671<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:23:11'>00:23:11</a></time>
2672<p> Do you have all your cleaning utensils?</p>
2673<p> </p>
2674<p> 380</p>
2675<cite>:</cite>
2676<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:23:14'>00:23:14</a></time>
2677<p> And then on the way out, did you</p>
2678<p> bring everything back out with you</p>
2679<p> </p>
2680<p> 381</p>
2681<cite>:</cite>
2682<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:23:17'>00:23:17</a></time>
2683<p> that you needed to bring out, or,</p>
2684<p> did you leave stuff in there that</p>
2685<p> </p>
2686<p> 382</p>
2687<cite>:</cite>
2688<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:23:20'>00:23:20</a></time>
2689<p> you're gonna have to go back in</p>
2690<p> and open and close that door again?</p>
2691<p> </p>
2692<p> 383</p>
2693<cite>:</cite>
2694<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:23:23'>00:23:23</a></time>
2695<p> We want the least amount</p>
2696<p> of times possible, and we</p>
2697<p> </p>
2698<p> 384</p>
2699<cite>:</cite>
2700<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:23:25'>00:23:25</a></time>
2701<p> train that from square one…</p>
2702<p> </p>
2703<p> 385</p>
2704<cite>:</cite>
2705<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:23:27'>00:23:27</a></time>
2706<p> from day one.</p>
2707<p> </p>
2708<p> 386</p>
2709<cite>:</cite>
2710<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:23:28'>00:23:28</a></time>
2711<p> We have double entries on our aviary and</p>
2712<p> that's where you start learning about</p>
2713<p> </p>
2714<p> 387</p>
2715<cite>:</cite>
2716<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:23:32'>00:23:32</a></time>
2717<p> those double door systems and double</p>
2718<p> locking systems and all of that stuff, so</p>
2719<p> </p>
2720<p> 388</p>
2721<cite>:</cite>
2722<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:23:38'>00:23:38</a></time>
2723<p> that way, as you move up, you already have</p>
2724<p> that muscle memory that, "Okay, do I have</p>
2725<p> </p>
2726<p> 389</p>
2727<cite>:</cite>
2728<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:23:44'>00:23:44</a></time>
2729<p> everything I need to go into the first</p>
2730<p> door and then go into the second door?"</p>
2731<p> </p>
2732<p> 390</p>
2733<cite>:</cite>
2734<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:23:48'>00:23:48</a></time>
2735<p> And they're used to doing</p>
2736<p> that double entry system.</p>
2737<p> </p>
2738<p> 391</p>
2739<cite>:</cite>
2740<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:23:51'>00:23:51</a></time>
2741<p> So yeah.</p>
2742<p> </p>
2743<p> 392</p>
2744<cite>:</cite>
2745<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:23:51'>00:23:51</a></time>
2746<p> So it's based on the person and</p>
2747<p> their skills as to how quickly</p>
2748<p> </p>
2749<p> 393</p>
2750<cite>:</cite>
2751<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:23:56'>00:23:56</a></time>
2752<p> they move up and if they move up.</p>
2753<p> </p>
2754<p> 394</p>
2755<cite>:</cite>
2756<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:23:59'>00:23:59</a></time>
2757<p> And if they're gonna leave us in a</p>
2758<p> year, like we have some senior students</p>
2759<p> </p>
2760<p> 395</p>
2761<cite>:</cite>
2762<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:24:04'>00:24:04</a></time>
2763<p> right here at the Sam Houston State</p>
2764<p> University, they're gonna leave us</p>
2765<p> </p>
2766<p> 396</p>
2767<cite>:</cite>
2768<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:24:08'>00:24:08</a></time>
2769<p> in six months, and so can I really</p>
2770<p> take the time to train them up if</p>
2771<p> </p>
2772<p> 397</p>
2773<cite>:</cite>
2774<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:24:14'>00:24:14</a></time>
2775<p> they're just going to be leaving?</p>
2776<p> </p>
2777<p> 398</p>
2778<cite>:</cite>
2779<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:24:15'>00:24:15</a></time>
2780<p> Unless I have a c- a, long-term</p>
2781<p> commitment, that is taken</p>
2782<p> </p>
2783<p> 399</p>
2784<cite>:</cite>
2785<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:24:19'>00:24:19</a></time>
2786<p> into consideration too.</p>
2787<p> </p>
2788<p> 400</p>
2789<cite>:</cite>
2790<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:24:22'>00:24:22</a></time>
2791<p> Dixie: Yeah.</p>
2792<p> </p>
2793<p> 401</p>
2794<cite>:</cite>
2795<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:24:22'>00:24:22</a></time>
2796<p> And it's funny you mention the whole,</p>
2797<p> double locked doors and having all</p>
2798<p> </p>
2799<p> 402</p>
2800<cite>:</cite>
2801<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:24:25'>00:24:25</a></time>
2802<p> of your supplies and stuff like that</p>
2803<p> because, like I know it's hard enough</p>
2804<p> </p>
2805<p> 403</p>
2806<cite>:</cite>
2807<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:24:30'>00:24:30</a></time>
2808<p> for me to train somebody to clean the</p>
2809<p> cat habitat at our adoption center and-</p>
2810<p> </p>
2811<p> 404</p>
2812<cite>:</cite>
2813<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:24:37'>00:24:37</a></time>
2814<p> so I can't imagine like the level of</p>
2815<p> training that's involved with that.</p>
2816<p> </p>
2817<p> 405</p>
2818<cite>:</cite>
2819<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:24:41'>00:24:41</a></time>
2820<p> And another thing too is do you get</p>
2821<p> a lot of requests for volunteers?</p>
2822<p> </p>
2823<p> 406</p>
2824<cite>:</cite>
2825<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:24:45'>00:24:45</a></time>
2826<p> 'Cause I would imagine it's like we see</p>
2827<p>
2827 in cat rescue all the time is like people</p>
2828<p> </p>
2829<p> 407</p>
2830<cite>:</cite>
2831<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:24:50'>00:24:50</a></time>
2832<p> will come to us thinking like, "Oh, I</p>
2833<p> just get to play with cats all day."</p>
2834<p> </p>
2835<p> 408</p>
2836<cite>:</cite>
2837<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:24:54'>00:24:54</a></time>
2838<p> And we're like- Yes … "No,</p>
2839<p> it's scooping litter boxes and</p>
2840<p> </p>
2841<p> 409</p>
2842<cite>:</cite>
2843<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:24:57'>00:24:57</a></time>
2844<p> it's cleaning up after the cats."</p>
2845<p> </p>
2846<p> 410</p>
2847<cite>:</cite>
2848<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:24:59'>00:24:59</a></time>
2849<p> And so-</p>
2850<p> </p>
2851<p> 411</p>
2852<cite>:</cite>
2853<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:25:00'>00:25:00</a></time>
2854<p> Kati: It is … it's like- they</p>
2855<p> come to the interview and sometimes</p>
2856<p> </p>
2857<p> 412</p>
2858<cite>:</cite>
2859<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:25:02'>00:25:02</a></time>
2860<p> I'm like hair on fire and just like</p>
2861<p> I look so disheveled and they pr-</p>
2862<p> </p>
2863<p> 413</p>
2864<cite>:</cite>
2865<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:25:06'>00:25:06</a></time>
2866<p> may not want to come work for me.</p>
2867<p> </p>
2868<p> 414</p>
2869<cite>:</cite>
2870<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:25:08'>00:25:08</a></time>
2871<p> But I've been out cleaning</p>
2872<p> enclosures, and this is what it takes.</p>
2873<p> </p>
2874<p> 415</p>
2875<cite>:</cite>
2876<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:25:12'>00:25:12</a></time>
2877<p> I may have like stuff all over the</p>
2878<p> front of me, but this is what's</p>
2879<p> </p>
2880<p> 416</p>
2881<cite>:</cite>
2882<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:25:16'>00:25:16</a></time>
2883<p> gonna happen when you work here.</p>
2884<p> </p>
2885<p> 417</p>
2886<cite>:</cite>
2887<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:25:19'>00:25:19</a></time>
2888<p> Dixie: Yeah.</p>
2889<p> </p>
2890<p> 418</p>
2891<cite>:</cite>
2892<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:25:19'>00:25:19</a></time>
2893<p> That's funny.</p>
2894<p> </p>
2895<p> 419</p>
2896<cite>:</cite>
2897<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:25:20'>00:25:20</a></time>
2898<p> A huge pillar of your mission</p>
2899<p> is connecting people with</p>
2900<p> </p>
2901<p> 420</p>
2902<cite>:</cite>
2903<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:25:24'>00:25:24</a></time>
2904<p> nature through education.</p>
2905<p> </p>
2906<p> 421</p>
2907<cite>:</cite>
2908<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:25:25'>00:25:25</a></time>
2909<p> So how do you approach- Yes … educating</p>
2910<p> the public about the exotic pet trade</p>
2911<p> </p>
2912<p> 422</p>
2913<cite>:</cite>
2914<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:25:29'>00:25:29</a></time>
2915<p> without shaming them, but rather inviting</p>
2916<p> them to become part of the solution?</p>
2917<p> </p>
2918<p> 423</p>
2919<cite>:</cite>
2920<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:25:35'>00:25:35</a></time>
2921<p> Kati: I do a lot of outreach.</p>
2922<p> </p>
2923<p> 424</p>
2924<cite>:</cite>
2925<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:25:37'>00:25:37</a></time>
2926<p> I do…</p>
2927<p> </p>
2928<p> 425</p>
2929<cite>:</cite>
2930<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:25:39'>00:25:39</a></time>
2931<p> I have both like grade school,</p>
2932<p> middle school, high school programs.</p>
2933<p> </p>
2934<p> 426</p>
2935<cite>:</cite>
2936<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:25:46'>00:25:46</a></time>
2937<p> I do rotaries and things of that nature.</p>
2938<p> </p>
2939<p> 427</p>
2940<cite>:</cite>
2941<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:25:49'>00:25:49</a></time>
2942<p> And I talk about, if you were to go out</p>
2943<p> to, the woods and go hiking or, I talk</p>
2944<p> </p>
2945<p> 428</p>
2946<cite>:</cite>
2947<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:25:57'>00:25:57</a></time>
2948<p> to people about being out in nature.</p>
2949<p> </p>
2950<p> 429</p>
2951<cite>:</cite>
2952<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:26:00'>00:26:00</a></time>
2953<p> Have they ever been to a</p>
2954<p> park and sat on a park bench?</p>
2955<p> </p>
2956<p> 430</p>
2957<cite>:</cite>
2958<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:26:03'>00:26:03</a></time>
2959<p> Have they ever hiked a trail?</p>
2960<p> </p>
2961<p> 431</p>
2962<cite>:</cite>
2963<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:26:05'>00:26:05</a></time>
2964<p> Have they ever…</p>
2965<p> </p>
2966<p> 432</p>
2967<cite>:</cite>
2968<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:26:06'>00:26:06</a></time>
2969<p> And get that sense of how do they</p>
2970<p> feel after they've been out there.</p>
2971<p> </p>
2972<p> 433</p>
2973<cite>:</cite>
2974<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:26:12'>00:26:12</a></time>
2975<p> That's what we want people to feel after</p>
2976<p> they've been here, in the quiet, in the…</p>
2977<p> </p>
2978<p> 434</p>
2979<cite>:</cite>
2980<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:26:17'>00:26:17</a></time>
2981<p> We talk about this a lot,</p>
2982<p> </p>
2983<p> 435</p>
2984<cite>:</cite>
2985<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:26:19'>00:26:19</a></time>
2986<p> the growth that the Houston area</p>
2987<p> has and the amount of time and the</p>
2988<p> </p>
2989<p> 436</p>
2990<cite>:</cite>
2991<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:26:24'>00:26:24</a></time>
2992<p> frustration that it takes to get to</p>
2993<p> the Houston Zoo, and that it takes an</p>
2994<p> </p>
2995<p> 437</p>
2996<cite>:</cite>
2997<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:26:29'>00:26:29</a></time>
2998<p> hour to find a parking spot once they</p>
2999<p> even get to the zoo, and how unhappy</p>
3000<p> </p>
3001<p> 438</p>
3002<cite>:</cite>
3003<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:26:34'>00:26:34</a></time>
3004<p> they are even walking into the zoo with</p>
3005<p> their kids and stuff because it's so</p>
3006<p> </p>
3007<p> 439</p>
3008<cite>:</cite>
3009<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:26:40'>00:26:40</a></time>
3010<p> stressful going there and doing all of</p>
3011<p> the things to even get into the zoo.</p>
3012<p> </p>
3013<p> 440</p>
3014<cite>:</cite>
3015<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:26:47'>00:26:47</a></time>
3016<p> Whereas we're like, if you travel</p>
3017<p> north, you're going against traffic.</p>
3018<p> </p>
3019<p> 441</p>
3020<cite>:</cite>
3021<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:26:52'>00:26:52</a></time>
3022<p> You come out here, it's quiet.</p>
3023<p> </p>
3024<p> 442</p>
3025<cite>:</cite>
3026<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:26:54'>00:26:54</a></time>
3027<p> We only allow so many people on site.</p>
3028<p> </p>
3029<p> 443</p>
3030<cite>:</cite>
3031<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:26:56'>00:26:56</a></time>
3032<p> We only allow, certain things, and</p>
3033<p> we wanna keep it quiet and peaceful</p>
3034<p> </p>
3035<p> 444</p>
3036<cite>:</cite>
3037<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:27:00'>00:27:00</a></time>
3038<p> because all of the animals that we take</p>
3039<p> in are neglected and abused by people.</p>
3040<p> </p>
3041<p> 445</p>
3042<cite>:</cite>
3043<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:27:05'>00:27:05</a></time>
3044<p> So we don't want them to have a bad</p>
3045<p>
3045 experience, and we don't want the people</p>
3046<p> </p>
3047<p> 446</p>
3048<cite>:</cite>
3049<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:27:08'>00:27:08</a></time>
3050<p> to have a bad experience, and that's the</p>
3051<p> peace with what comes by coming out here.</p>
3052<p> </p>
3053<p> 447</p>
3054<cite>:</cite>
3055<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:27:15'>00:27:15</a></time>
3056<p> Even having a work day, people leave</p>
3057<p> here with smiles after a long day of</p>
3058<p> </p>
3059<p> 448</p>
3060<cite>:</cite>
3061<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:27:20'>00:27:20</a></time>
3062<p> volunteering and it's just because that's</p>
3063<p> the culture that we've built, that's the</p>
3064<p> </p>
3065<p> 449</p>
3066<cite>:</cite>
3067<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:27:27'>00:27:27</a></time>
3068<p> energy that we want to have out here.</p>
3069<p> </p>
3070<p> 450</p>
3071<cite>:</cite>
3072<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:27:29'>00:27:29</a></time>
3073<p> That's what we want people to experience</p>
3074<p> either through our programs or, by being</p>
3075<p> </p>
3076<p> 451</p>
3077<cite>:</cite>
3078<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:27:35'>00:27:35</a></time>
3079<p> out here volunteering and what nature</p>
3080<p> has to offer when you put down the cell</p>
3081<p> </p>
3082<p> 452</p>
3083<cite>:</cite>
3084<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:27:40'>00:27:40</a></time>
3085<p> phones and get away from the electronics</p>
3086<p> and just sit and watch animals be animals.</p>
3087<p> </p>
3088<p> 453</p>
3089<cite>:</cite>
3090<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:27:45'>00:27:45</a></time>
3091<p> And they get that P-E-A-C-E, the peace of</p>
3092<p> the wild that we want them to experience.</p>
3093<p> </p>
3094<p> 454</p>
3095<cite>:</cite>
3096<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:27:52'>00:27:52</a></time>
3097<p> Dixie: That sounds amazing.</p>
3098<p> </p>
3099<p> 455</p>
3100<cite>:</cite>
3101<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:27:54'>00:27:54</a></time>
3102<p> For listeners who are moved by your</p>
3103<p> story and wanna help support Bears Etc.,</p>
3104<p> </p>
3105<p> 456</p>
3106<cite>:</cite>
3107<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:27:58'>00:27:58</a></time>
3108<p> what are the biggest needs right</p>
3109<p> now, and how can the community get</p>
3110<p> </p>
3111<p> 457</p>
3112<cite>:</cite>
3113<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:28:01'>00:28:01</a></time>
3114<p> involved and learn more about you?</p>
3115<p> </p>
3116<p> 458</p>
3117<cite>:</cite>
3118<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:28:05'>00:28:05</a></time>
3119<p> Kati: Our biggest need is always, like</p>
3120<p> every nonprofit, is gonna be donations.</p>
3121<p> </p>
3122<p> 459</p>
3123<cite>:</cite>
3124<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:28:10'>00:28:10</a></time>
3125<p> In order for us to continue to</p>
3126<p> take care of these animals, the</p>
3127<p> </p>
3128<p> 460</p>
3129<cite>:</cite>
3130<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:28:13'>00:28:13</a></time>
3131<p> prices of everything is going up.</p>
3132<p> </p>
3133<p> 461</p>
3134<cite>:</cite>
3135<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:28:15'>00:28:15</a></time>
3136<p> A box of romaine a week, goes</p>
3137<p> from anywhere from $25 to $30.</p>
3138<p> </p>
3139<p> 462</p>
3140<cite>:</cite>
3141<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:28:21'>00:28:21</a></time>
3142<p> Now it's 30 to $35.</p>
3143<p> </p>
3144<p> 463</p>
3145<cite>:</cite>
3146<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:28:23'>00:28:23</a></time>
3147<p> The cost of everything has gone up.</p>
3148<p> </p>
3149<p> 464</p>
3150<cite>:</cite>
3151<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:28:25'>00:28:25</a></time>
3152<p> We can always use gas</p>
3153<p> cards to use on rescues.</p>
3154<p> </p>
3155<p> 465</p>
3156<cite>:</cite>
3157<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:28:29'>00:28:29</a></time>
3158<p> We can always use hotel points and</p>
3159<p> flight miles in order to fly to</p>
3160<p> </p>
3161<p> 466</p>
3162<cite>:</cite>
3163<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:28:35'>00:28:35</a></time>
3164<p> destinations, rescue the animals,</p>
3165<p> rent a van, bring them back.</p>
3166<p> </p>
3167<p> 467</p>
3168<cite>:</cite>
3169<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:28:39'>00:28:39</a></time>
3170<p> So there are different</p>
3171<p> opportunities there for those items.</p>
3172<p> </p>
3173<p> 468</p>
3174<cite>:</cite>
3175<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:28:43'>00:28:43</a></time>
3176<p> We're always needing volunteers.</p>
3177<p> </p>
3178<p> 469</p>
3179<cite>:</cite>
3180<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:28:45'>00:28:45</a></time>
3181<p> We have several shifts a week and actually</p>
3182<p> two shifts every day, five-hour shifts.</p>
3183<p> </p>
3184<p> 470</p>
3185<cite>:</cite>
3186<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:28:49'>00:28:49</a></time>
3187<p> If someone's interested in coming</p>
3188<p> out and helping animal care, you…</p>
3189<p> </p>
3190<p> 471</p>
3191<cite>:</cite>
3192<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:28:54'>00:28:54</a></time>
3193<p> It's required a one five-hour shift a</p>
3194<p> week in order to build the relationships</p>
3195<p> </p>
3196<p> 472</p>
3197<cite>:</cite>
3198<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:28:59'>00:28:59</a></time>
3199<p> with animals and to understand how each</p>
3200<p> animal's, quirks and everything like</p>
3201<p> </p>
3202<p> 473</p>
3203<cite>:</cite>
3204<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:29:03'>00:29:03</a></time>
3205<p> that are, and learning their diets.</p>
3206<p> </p>
3207<p> 474</p>
3208<cite>:</cite>
3209<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:29:06'>00:29:06</a></time>
3210<p>
3210 It really takes a consistent being here</p>
3211<p> in order to do that since we have so</p>
3212<p> </p>
3213<p> 475</p>
3214<cite>:</cite>
3215<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:29:11'>00:29:11</a></time>
3216<p> many different species word of mouth</p>
3217<p> is always amazing, and that's free.</p>
3218<p> </p>
3219<p> 476</p>
3220<cite>:</cite>
3221<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:29:17'>00:29:17</a></time>
3222<p> Sharing us on your social media follow.</p>
3223<p> </p>
3224<p> 477</p>
3225<cite>:</cite>
3226<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:29:19'>00:29:19</a></time>
3227<p> We're on X, Facebook, Instagram,</p>
3228<p> TikTok LinkedIn, sharing our story.</p>
3229<p> </p>
3230<p> 478</p>
3231<cite>:</cite>
3232<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:29:26'>00:29:26</a></time>
3233<p> If you work at an organization, if</p>
3234<p> you go to our website, bearsetc.org</p>
3235<p> </p>
3236<p> 479</p>
3237<cite>:</cite>
3238<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:29:31'>00:29:31</a></time>
3239<p> you can go to our How You Can</p>
3240<p> Help page and see if your or</p>
3241<p> </p>
3242<p> 480</p>
3243<cite>:</cite>
3244<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:29:36'>00:29:36</a></time>
3245<p> your company you work for matches</p>
3246<p> donations or pays our organization</p>
3247<p> </p>
3248<p> 481</p>
3249<cite>:</cite>
3250<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:29:42'>00:29:42</a></time>
3251<p> for you to come out and volunteer.</p>
3252<p> </p>
3253<p> 482</p>
3254<cite>:</cite>
3255<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:29:43'>00:29:43</a></time>
3256<p> So organizations like Exxon and some other</p>
3257<p> companies Kohl's, for the amount of hours</p>
3258<p> </p>
3259<p> 483</p>
3260<cite>:</cite>
3261<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:29:50'>00:29:50</a></time>
3262<p> that you come out and donate, they'll</p>
3263<p> pay us $12 an hour in donations for the</p>
3264<p> </p>
3265<p> 484</p>
3266<cite>:</cite>
3267<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:29:55'>00:29:55</a></time>
3268<p> day for them coming out and donating.</p>
3269<p> </p>
3270<p> 485</p>
3271<cite>:</cite>
3272<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:29:58'>00:29:58</a></time>
3273<p> Or some businesses, I have a friend's</p>
3274<p> business that they will pay you t-</p>
3275<p> </p>
3276<p> 486</p>
3277<cite>:</cite>
3278<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:30:03'>00:30:03</a></time>
3279<p> for the day, an eight-hour shift</p>
3280<p> to go out and work at a nonprofit.</p>
3281<p> </p>
3282<p> 487</p>
3283<cite>:</cite>
3284<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:30:07'>00:30:07</a></time>
3285<p> And so there's different ways like that</p>
3286<p> you can do, or just matching funds.</p>
3287<p> </p>
3288<p> 488</p>
3289<cite>:</cite>
3290<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:30:12'>00:30:12</a></time>
3291<p> Lindy, Dell a lot of the companies</p>
3292<p> have donor matching, so if you</p>
3293<p> </p>
3294<p> 489</p>
3295<cite>:</cite>
3296<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:30:16'>00:30:16</a></time>
3297<p> donate through your business,</p>
3298<p> they will match it 100% up to I…</p>
3299<p> </p>
3300<p> 490</p>
3301<cite>:</cite>
3302<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:30:24'>00:30:24</a></time>
3303<p> like Lindy is up to $15,000 a year</p>
3304<p> they'll match that you receive then</p>
3305<p> </p>
3306<p> 491</p>
3307<cite>:</cite>
3308<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:30:29'>00:30:29</a></time>
3309<p> a donation match from that business.</p>
3310<p> </p>
3311<p> 492</p>
3312<cite>:</cite>
3313<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:30:32'>00:30:32</a></time>
3314<p> So there's different ways to do it.</p>
3315<p> </p>
3316<p> 493</p>
3317<cite>:</cite>
3318<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:30:35'>00:30:35</a></time>
3319<p> We have a Amazon wish list.</p>
3320<p> </p>
3321<p> 494</p>
3322<cite>:</cite>
3323<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:30:37'>00:30:37</a></time>
3324<p> We have a Chewy wish list.</p>
3325<p> </p>
3326<p> 495</p>
3327<cite>:</cite>
3328<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:30:38'>00:30:38</a></time>
3329<p> We have a Walmart wish list.</p>
3330<p> </p>
3331<p> 496</p>
3332<cite>:</cite>
3333<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:30:41'>00:30:41</a></time>
3334<p> Different things that we're always</p>
3335<p> in need of for the animals are</p>
3336<p> </p>
3337<p> 497</p>
3338<cite>:</cite>
3339<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:30:46'>00:30:46</a></time>
3340<p>
3340 right there at your fingertips if</p>
3341<p> you're there shopping on Amazon.</p>
3342<p> </p>
3343<p> 498</p>
3344<cite>:</cite>
3345<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:30:49'>00:30:49</a></time>
3346<p> And then we use the box and the packing</p>
3347<p> paper for enrichment for the animals.</p>
3348<p> </p>
3349<p> 499</p>
3350<cite>:</cite>
3351<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:30:53'>00:30:53</a></time>
3352<p> So even better if you ship us</p>
3353<p> supplies because it really is</p>
3354<p> </p>
3355<p> 500</p>
3356<cite>:</cite>
3357<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:30:57'>00:30:57</a></time>
3358<p> double duty when you do that.</p>
3359<p> </p>
3360<p> 501</p>
3361<cite>:</cite>
3362<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:30:59'>00:30:59</a></time>
3363<p> So there's all different</p>
3364<p> ways of hel- to help.</p>
3365<p> </p>
3366<p> 502</p>
3367<cite>:</cite>
3368<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:31:01'>00:31:01</a></time>
3369<p> But spreading the word</p>
3370<p> liking our organization.</p>
3371<p> </p>
3372<p> 503</p>
3373<cite>:</cite>
3374<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:31:04'>00:31:04</a></time>
3375<p> Every on Facebook, our page is</p>
3376<p> monetized, and so every like, share,</p>
3377<p> </p>
3378<p> 504</p>
3379<cite>:</cite>
3380<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:31:09'>00:31:09</a></time>
3381<p> comment gets us a penny, and all of</p>
3382<p> that adds up at the end of the month</p>
3383<p> </p>
3384<p> 505</p>
3385<cite>:</cite>
3386<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:31:14'>00:31:14</a></time>
3387<p> when they send us our donation check.</p>
3388<p> </p>
3389<p> 506</p>
3390<cite>:</cite>
3391<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:31:15'>00:31:15</a></time>
3392<p>
3392 So every little bit helps, and so we're</p>
3393<p> just really appreciative of all the likes,</p>
3394<p> </p>
3395<p> 507</p>
3396<cite>:</cite>
3397<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:31:21'>00:31:21</a></time>
3398<p> comments, shares on Facebook as well.</p>
3399<p> </p>
3400<p> 508</p>
3401<cite>:</cite>
3402<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:31:24'>00:31:24</a></time>
3403<p> Dixie: Kati, thank you so much for</p>
3404<p> sharing your journey and for the</p>
3405<p> </p>
3406<p> 509</p>
3407<cite>:</cite>
3408<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:31:27'>00:31:27</a></time>
3409<p> incredible uncrom- uncompromising</p>
3410<p> work that you're doing for animals</p>
3411<p> </p>
3412<p> 510</p>
3413<cite>:</cite>
3414<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:31:30'>00:31:30</a></time>
3415<p> that so desperately need a voice.</p>
3416<p> </p>
3417<p> 511</p>
3418<cite>:</cite>
3419<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:31:34'>00:31:34</a></time>
3420<p> Kati: I'm glad that people support</p>
3421<p>
3421 it so we can do it, because if people</p>
3422<p> </p>
3423<p> 512</p>
3424<cite>:</cite>
3425<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:31:38'>00:31:38</a></time>
3426<p> didn't support us, we wouldn't be here.</p>
3427<p> </p>
3428<p> 513</p>
3429<cite>:</cite>
3430<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:31:41'>00:31:41</a></time>
3431<p> And so their support means</p>
3432<p> I can do more of this.</p>
3433<p> </p>
3434<p> 514</p>
3435<cite>:</cite>
3436<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:31:44'>00:31:44</a></time>
3437<p> So I really appreciate everybody</p>
3438<p> that makes this happen.</p>
3439<p> </p>
3440<p> 515</p>
3441<cite>:</cite>
3442<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:31:47'>00:31:47</a></time>
3443<p> It's not just me.</p>
3444<p> </p>
3445<p> 516</p>
3446<cite>:</cite>
3447<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:31:48'>00:31:48</a></time>
3448<p> I just have the hands and feet that do it.</p>
3449<p> </p>
3450<p> 517</p>
3451<cite>:</cite>
3452<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:31:50'>00:31:50</a></time>
3453<p> But I have lots of people</p>
3454<p> that support this organization</p>
3455<p> </p>
3456<p> 518</p>
3457<cite>:</cite>
3458<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:31:54'>00:31:54</a></time>
3459<p> that keep us moving forward.</p>
3460<p> </p>
3461<p> 519</p>
3462<cite>:</cite>
3463<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:31:56'>00:31:56</a></time>
3464<p> So thank you to them for making this</p>
3465<p> happen because I couldn't do it alone.</p>
3466<p> </p>
3467<p> 520</p>
3468<cite>:</cite>
3469<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:32:01'>00:32:01</a></time>
3470<p> Dixie: Great.</p>
3471<p> </p>
3472<p> 521</p>
3473<cite>:</cite>
3474<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:32:01'>00:32:01</a></time>
3475<p> Thank you so much for joining me today.</p>
3476<p> </p>
3477<p> 522</p>
3478<cite>:</cite>
3479<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:32:03'>00:32:03</a></time>
3480<p> I really appreciate it.</p>
3481<p> </p>
3482<p> 523</p>
3483<cite>:</cite>
3484<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:32:05'>00:32:05</a></time>
3485<p> Kati: Thank you for having me on.</p>
3486<p> </p>
3487<p> 524</p>
3488<cite>:</cite>
3489<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:32:06'>00:32:06</a></time>
3490<p> I really appreciate it.</p>
3491<p> </p>
3492<p> 525</p>
3493<cite>:</cite>
3494<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:32:10'>00:32:10</a></time>
3495<p> Speaker: To everyone listening, you</p>
3496<p> can learn more about Kati's work,</p>
3497<p> </p>
3498<p> 526</p>
3499<cite>:</cite>
3500<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:32:12'>00:32:12</a></time>
3501<p> support the sanctuary, and follow</p>
3502<p> their progress at bearsetc.org.</p>
3503<p> </p>
3504<p> 527</p>
3505<cite>:</cite>
3506<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:32:17'>00:32:17</a></time>
3507<p> Be sure to check out the</p>
3508<p> show notes for all the links.</p>
3509<p> </p>
3510<p> 528</p>
3511<cite>:</cite>
3512<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:32:19'>00:32:19</a></time>
3513<p> Thank you for tuning in, and remember</p>
3514<p> to keep fighting for the animals.</p>
3515<p> </p>
3516<p> 529</p>
3517<cite>:</cite>
3518<time> <a href='javascript: void(0);' class='cp-timestamp' data-timestamp='00:32:24'>00:32:24</a></time>
3519<p> See you next time</p>
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