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1nearly four decades of experience, to talk about why loan officers who are waiting for the market to get easier may be making a costly mistake. Don and I discuss what separates mortgage professionals who are still growing from those who have pulled back—and why your mindset, env </div> <div class="pp-card-cta"> <a href="/how-loan-officers-grow-in-a-tough-market/" aria-label="Listen to the Episode: How Loan Officers Grow in a Tough Market"> <i class="fas fa-long-arrow-right "></i>Listen to the Episode </a> </div> </div> </div> <div class="pp-card pp-card--horizontal pp-card--line card" data-object-type="episode"> <div class="pp-card-image"> <a href="/stop-cold-calling-agents-teach-a-class-get-referrals/" > <img srcset="https://img.podpage.com/INsvnLGPnR5YD3LYfZJCefcw4fRvrBDvOjuhYmR0Fvs/rs:fit:480:0:1/q:75/aHR0cHM6Ly9maWxlcy5mbGlnaHRjYXN0LmNvbS93b3Jrc3BhY2VzL28xeWg2bmZtbTk1YXhmY3l5cWVsMWg2ai8wMU0yMVBLRllFWlRTQkdKQUc4WFY1M1A2RS9tb3J0Z2FnZV9tYXJrZXRpbmdfcmFkaW9fbG9nby5qcGc.webp 480w, https://img.podpage.com/uSinJQv1eUxkqCLUldAcmHQAk_OALC6Du3SPQDeeZMU/rs:fit:768:0:1/q:75/aHR0cHM6Ly9maWxlcy5mbGlnaHRjYXN0LmNvbS93b3Jrc3BhY2VzL28xeWg2bmZtbTk1YXhmY3l5cWVsMWg2ai8wMU0yMVBLRllFWlRTQkdKQUc4WFY1M1A2RS9tb3J0Z2FnZV9tYXJrZXRpbmdfcmFkaW9fbG9nby5qcGc.webp 768w, https://img.podpage.com/9bVq4hMXz8S8MpSrHPpA355UAgCC5pW2GGuEE-nOcbM/rs:fit:1024:0:1/q:75/aHR0cHM6Ly9maWxlcy5mbGlnaHRjYXN0LmNvbS93b3Jrc3BhY2VzL28xeWg2bmZtbTk1YXhmY3l5cWVsMWg2ai8wMU0yMVBLRllFWlRTQkdKQUc4WFY1M1A2RS9tb3J0Z2FnZV9tYXJrZXRpbmdfcmFkaW9fbG9nby5qcGc.webp 1024w, https://img.podpage.com/WZOuwwsJmXfQbSgCrLoJAfYINcCe7CNiLr4ZcFcwhqI/rs:fit:1920:0:1/q:75/aHR0cHM6Ly9maWxlcy5mbGlnaHRjYXN0LmNvbS93b3Jrc3BhY2VzL28xeWg2bmZtbTk1YXhmY3l5cWVsMWg2ai8wMU0yMVBLRllFWlRTQkdKQUc4WFY1M1A2RS9tb3J0Z2FnZV9tYXJrZXRpbmdfcmFkaW9fbG9nby5qcGc.webp 1920w" src="https://img.podpage.com/INsvnLGPnR5YD3LYfZJCefcw4fRvrBDvOjuhYmR0Fvs/rs:fit:480:0:1/q:75/aHR0cHM6Ly9maWxlcy5mbGlnaHRjYXN0LmNvbS93b3Jrc3BhY2VzL28xeWg2bmZtbTk1YXhmY3l5cWVsMWg2ai8wMU0yMVBLRllFWlRTQkdKQUc4WFY1M1A2RS9tb3J0Z2FnZV9tYXJrZXRpbmdfcmFkaW9fbG9nby5qcGc.webp" width="285" height="285" alt="Stop Cold Calling Agents. Teach a Class, Get Referrals" title="Stop Cold Calling Agents. Teach a Class, Get Referrals" class="lazyload " style="height:auto" sizes="(min-width: 991px) 285px, (min-width: 575px) 720px, 90vw" loading="lazy"> </a> </div> <div class="pp-card-body card-body"> <div class="pp-card-date card-text"> Sept. 9, 2026 </div> <h3 class="pp-card-title heading heading-5 strong-600 mb-0"> <a href="/stop-cold-calling-agents-teach-a-class-get-referrals/">Stop Cold Calling Agents. Teach a Class, Get Referrals</a> </h3> <div class="pp-card-description excerpt card-text"> Want more Realtor referrals without spending your week cold calling agents? In this episode, longtime client Glenda White joins the Agent Referral Xcelerator cohort to break down how she uses educational agent classes to create appointments, build trust with real estate agents, and turn those relationships into mortgage referral opportunities. Glenda shares the process she uses after teaching a Google Business Profile class for real estate agents, including how she gets agents to book 15-minut </div> <div class="pp-card-cta"> <a href="/stop-cold-calling-agents-teach-a-class-get-referrals/" aria-label="Listen to the Episode: Stop Cold Calling Agents. Teach a Class, Get Referrals"> <i class="fas fa-long-arrow-right "></i>Listen to the Episode </a> </div> </div> </div> <div class="pp-card pp-card--horizontal pp-card--line card" data-object-type="episode"> <div class="pp-card-image"> <a href="/work-life-balance-is-a-lie-heres-what-actually-works/" > <img srcset="https://img.podpage.com/X6L14ACoapkKaZ9DhgV0dOjOZTHU0s2j9X4ETD_QjFk/rs:fit:480:0:1/q:75/aHR0cHM6Ly9maWxlcy5mbGlnaHRjYXN0LmNvbS93b3Jrc3BhY2VzL28xeWg2bmZtbTk1YXhmY3l5cWVsMWg2ai8wMU0wRFFaRlI4RDgwVDROVjhBNURNQlZONi9tb3J0Z2FnZV9tYXJrZXRpbmdfcmFkaW9fbG9nby5qcGc.webp 480w, https://img.podpage.com/2BXKnYrsRcm2bV0DMAdpIffR9uxWx9-TeB06UsGSjTw/rs:fit:768:0:1/q:75/aHR0cHM6Ly9maWxlcy5mbGlnaHRjYXN0LmNvbS93b3Jrc3BhY2VzL28xeWg2bmZtbTk1YXhmY3l5cWVsMWg2ai8wMU0wRFFaRlI4RDgwVDROVjhBNURNQlZONi9tb3J0Z2FnZV9tYXJrZXRpbmdfcmFkaW9fbG9nby5qcGc.webp 768w, https://img.podpage.com/7qfk5mC0MdCMxcY-ZUWArJGkzqoPTgxMfV6H8CGdfKo/rs:fit:1024:0:1/q:75/aHR0cHM6Ly9maWxlcy5mbGlnaHRjYXN0LmNvbS93b3Jrc3BhY2VzL28xeWg2bmZtbTk1YXhmY3l5cWVsMWg2ai8wMU0wRFFaRlI4RDgwVDROVjhBNURNQlZONi9tb3J0Z2FnZV9tYXJrZXRpbmdfcmFkaW9fbG9nby5qcGc.webp 1024w, https://img.podpage.com/1OS17aRrOOyClyukgp1AXIjsd5oInfJk3q3Kt3peEe
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