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Ta razlika ne jest etimologi\u010dna, ale morfologi\u010dna.\nPi\u0161emo ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"si\u013any"})," i ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"slovja\u0144sky"}),", ale tako\u017ee ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"c\u011bljny"})," i ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"prijateljsky"}),", zato\u017ee prosto dodavajemo do korenja sufiksy ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"-ny"}),", ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"-sky"}),", i druge. Palatalizujemo jedino ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"k"}),"/",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"g"}),"/",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"h"})," \u2013 zato ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"sil-ny"})," \u2192 ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"si\u013any"}),", ale ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"r\u0173k-ny"})," \u2192 ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"r\u0173\u010dny"}),". To jest malo naru\u0161enje etimologije.","\n",(0,c.jsxs)(d.ul,{children:["\n",(0,c.jsxs)(d.li,{children:["Interesno, \u017ee tu imajemo a\u01

17e 3 versije: ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"p\u022flny"})," (v zna\u010denju: ",(0,c.jsx)(d.em,{children:"ne prazdny"}),"), ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"po\u013any"}),"\n(od imennika ",(0,c.jsx)(d.em,{children:"pol"}),"), ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"poljny"})," (od imennika ",(0,c.jsx)(d.em,{children:"polje"}),")."]}),"\n"]}),"\n"]}),"\n",(0,c.jsxs)(d.li,{children:["Jest razlika med\u017eu palatalizacijeju (",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u044c"}),") i jotaciju (",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"j"}),"), ale posl\u011b ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"l"})," i ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"n"})," one sb\u011bgajut se v ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"lj"})," i ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"nj"}),". Tako jest vo vsih slovjanskyh jezykah. Jednako\u017ee, ako ht\u011bli byhmo igrati najvy\u0161e \xab\u010disto\xbb, tr\u011bba by bylo pisati ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u0445\u0432\u0430\u043b\u0458\u0443"})," i ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u0445\u0440\u0430\u043d\u0458\u0435\u043d\u044b"})," zam\u011bsto ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u0445\u0432\u0430\u0459\u0443"})," i ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u0445\u0440\u0430\u045a\u0435\u043d\u044b"}),". Nu, ale to ne jest veliky problem."]}),"\n",(0,c.jsxs)(d.li,{children:["Na\u0161 problem jest ta posl\u011bdnja kategorija (",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u044c\u0458"}),"). Tvoret ju sufiksy ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"-je"}),", ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"-ji"})," i kon\u010dina ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"-j\u0173"}),". Mnogo va\u017eno jest to, \u017ee te sufiksy mo\u017eno jest razpoznati. I krom\u011b togo, tamte sufiksy vnoset razliku v gramatiku (roditeljnik mno\u017einy ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"-ij"}),", napr.: ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"zna\u0144je"})," \u2192 ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"znanij"})," zam\u011bsto ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"znanj"}),"). Razlika so smek\u010denjem i jotacijeju tako\u017ee jest va\u017ena, zato\u017ee slovjanske jezyky razli\u010dno podhodet do tutogo pytanja: russky ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"-\u0438\u0435"}),"/",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"-\u044c\u0435"}),", ukrajinsky ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"-\u043d\u043d\u044f"}),", b\u011blorussky\n",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"-\u043d\u043d\u0435"}),", poljsky i slova\u010dsky ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"-nie"}),", \u010de\u0161sky ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"-n\xed"}),", slovensky ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"-nje"}),", srbohrvatsky i makedonsky ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"-nje"})," (",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"-\u045a\u0435"}),"), bulgarsky ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"-\u043d\u0435"}),"."]}),"\n"]}),"\n",(0,c.jsxs)(d.p,{children:["My jesmo izbrali slovene\u010dsky (\ud83c\uddf8\ud83c\uddee) model, ale ne zabezpametimo, \u017ee jest razlika med\u017eu slovenskym i srbohrvatskym modelami. V ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"BCMS"})," jezykah proces byl taky: ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"-#\u044c\u0458\u0435"})," \u2192 ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"-#^e"})," (polna jotacija), napr.: ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"*pit\u044cje"})," \u2192 ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"pi\u0107e"}),", ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"zdrav\u044cje"})," \u2192 ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"zdravlje*"}),". V slovenskom, iz drugoj strany, toj ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u044c"}),' kakoby "blokuje" jotaciju, zato slovensky imaje ',(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"pitje"}),", ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"zdravje"}),"."]}),"\n",(0,c.jsx)(d.p,{children:"Etimologi\u010dno najvy\u0161e \u010disto byl by taky zapis:"}),"\n",(0,c.jsxs)(d.ul,{children:["\n",(0,c.jsxs)(d.li,{children:[(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"pisa\u0144je"})," (",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u043f\u0438\u0441\u0430\u045a\u0458\u0435"}),"), ili ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"pisa\u0148je"})," (",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u043f\u0438\u0441\u0430\u043d\u044c\u0458\u0435"}),");"]}),"\n",(0,c.jsxs)(d.li,{children:[(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"usi\u013aje"})," (",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u0443\u0441\u0438\u0459\u0458\u0435"}),"), ili ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"usi\u013eje"})," (",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u0443\u0441\u0438\u043b\u044c\u0458\u0435"}),");"]}),"\n",(0,c.jsxs)(d.li,{children:[(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"pi\u0165je"})," (",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u043f\u0438\u0442\u044c\u0458\u0435"}),"), ale standardny pravopis ne imaje ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u0165"}),", zato pi\u0161emo ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"pitje"})," (",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u043f\u0438\u0442\u0458\u0435"}),")."]}),"\n"]}),"\n",(0,c.jsxs)(d.p,{children:["Tako razr\u011b\u0161enje by slu\u017eilo kako dobry kompromis med\u017eu ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"-#ije"})," (\ud83c\uddf7\ud83c\uddfa\ud83c\udde7\ud83c\uddec\u2626), ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"-#'e"})," (\ud83c\uddf5\ud83c\uddf1), ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"-#je"})," (\ud83c\uddf8\ud83c\uddee) i ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"-#^e"})," (\ud83c\uddf7\ud83c\uddf8\ud83c\udded\ud83c\uddf7)."]}),"\n",(0,c.jsx)(d.p,{children:(0,c.jsx)(d.em,{children:"Jan van Steenbergen"})}),"\n",(0,c.jsx)(d.h2,{id:"propozicije",children:"Propozicije"}),"\n",(0,c.jsxs)(d.h3,{id:"1-opcionalne-digrafy-\u013aj-i-\u0144j",children:["1. Opcionalne digrafy ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u0139J"})," i ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u0143J"})]}),"\n",(0,c.jsxs)(d.p,{children:["Dodati ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u0144"})," (",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u0148"}),") i ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u013a"})," (",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u013e"}),") kako opcionalne dodatky do standardnogo pravopisanja v situaciji nejasnosti, kogdy ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"lj"}),"/",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"nj"})," ozna\u010dajut jotovane mekke ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"L"}),"/",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"N"}),", napr.: ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"pisa\u0144je"}),", ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"usi\u013aje"}),"."]}

1),"\n",(0,c.jsx)(d.p,{children:"V Med\u017euviki to u\u017ee bylo sd\u011blano \u010desti\u010dno i funkcionuje dobro.\nDodato\u010dna pr\u011bdnost togo razr\u011b\u0161enja jest to, \u017ee u\u017ee ne bude problemov s deklinacijeju."}),"\n",(0,c.jsxs)(d.p,{children:["Akcentuju, \u017ee ono jest potr\u011bbno samo za transliteraciju: v normalnoj komunikaciji mo\u017eno\njest, o\u010devidno, pisati ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"pisanje"})," i ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"usilje"})," kako pr\u011bd\u017ee."]}),"\n",(0,c.jsx)(d.p,{children:(0,c.jsx)(d.em,{children:"Jan van Steenbergen"})}),"\n",(0,c.jsx)(d.h3,{id:"2-minimalno-r\u011b\u0161enje",children:"2. Minimalno r\u011b\u0161enje"}),"\n",(0,c.jsx)(d.p,{children:"Iz analizy vy\u0161e vid\u011bli jesmo, \u017ee dobra simetrija med\u017eu latiniceju i kiriliceju tr\u011bbovala by byti:"}),"\n",(0,c.jsxs)(d.ol,{children:["\n",(0,c.jsxs)(d.li,{children:['ili 3:3, \u010dto zna\u010di "imati latini\u010dne analogy" za: ',(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u0459"}),"/",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u045a"}),", ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u0459\u0458"}),"/",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u045a\u0458"}),", ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u043b\u0458"}),"/",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u043d\u0458"}),"."]}),"\n",(0,c.jsxs)(d.li,{children:["abo 1:1 (",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"lj"}),"-",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u0459"}),", ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"nj"}),"-",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u045a"}),")."]}),"\n"]}),"\n",(0,c.jsxs)(d.p,{children:["Kompromisno r\u011b\u0161enje koristati ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u0139"})," i ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u0143"})," samo v digrafah ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u0139J"}),"/",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u0143J"})," d\u011blaje standardny pravopis vy\u0161e komplikovanym, i zajedno s tym:"]}),"\n",(0,c.jsxs)(d.ul,{children:["\n",(0,c.jsxs)(d.li,{children:["pri u\u010denju, tr\u011bbuje pametati dodatno o morfologiji i sufiksah: ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"u\u010de\u0144-je"}),", ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"usi\u013a-je"}),", i zato je izbor:","\n",(0,c.jsxs)(d.ul,{children:["\n",(0,c.jsxs)(d.li,{children:["abo u\u010deniki budut pametati kako sklanjajut se slova, napr: ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"polje"})," \u2192 ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"polj"}),", ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"u\u010denje"})," \u2192 ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"u\u010denij"}),";"]}),"\n",(0,c.jsxs)(d.li,{children:["ili u\u010deniki budut pametati kde tr\u011bba pisati \u010drtky nad ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"LJ"})," i ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"NJ"}),", a kde ne, i od togo izvoditi formy roditeljnika;"]}),"\n",(0,c.jsx)(d.li,{children:'i prvo, i drugo tr\u011bbuje bliz podobno usilje dlja pameti, a zato imajemo pytanje "za\u010dto raz\u0161irjati pravopis", kogdy jego mo\u017eno ne raz\u0161irjati?'}),"\n"]}),"\n"]}),"\n",(0,c.jsxs)(d.li,{children:["ne jest polno podobno do ju\u017enyh jezykov, kde pi\u0161e se, napr.: ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u0443\u0447\u0435\u045a\u0435"})," \ud83c\uddf7\ud83c\uddf8, ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u0437\u043d\u0430\u0435\u045a\u0435"})," \ud83c\uddf2\ud83c\uddf0, ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u043f\u0438\u0442\u0430\u043d\u0435"})," \ud83c\udde7\ud83c\uddec."]}),"\n",(0,c.jsxs)(d.li,{children:["ne jest polno podobno do s\u011bv\u011brnyh jezykov, kde pi\u0161e se, napr.: ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"spanie"})," \ud83c\uddf5\ud83c\uddf1 (a ne: ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"spa\u0144je"}),"), ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u0443\u0447\u0435\u043d\u044c\u0435"})," \ud83c\uddf7\ud83c\uddfa (a ne: ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u0443\u0447\u0435\u043d\u0458\u0435"}),")."]}),"\n"]}),"\n",(0,c.jsxs)(d.p,{children:["Imenno zato najprosty variant by byl koristati samo ligatury ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u0459"}),"/",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u045a"})," v kirilici:"]}),"\n",(0,c.jsxs)(d.ul,{children:["\n",(0,c.jsx)(d.li,{children:"izguba etimologi\u010dnoj informacije byla by ravna med\u017eu alfabetami;"}),"\n",(0,c.jsx)(d.li,{children:"pytanje najvy\u0161e foneti\u010dno razumlivogo izgovora slova nikogdy ne mo\u017ee byti polno adresovano bez pogledanja na etimologi\u010dny zapis slova;"}),"\n",(0,c.jsxs)(d.li,{children:["vizualno, zapis ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u0437\u043d\u0430\u045a\u0435"})," i ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u043f\u0438\u0442\u0430\u045a\u0435"})," ne zlo by koreloval s ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u0437\u043d\u0430\u043d\u044c\u0435"})," \ud83c\uddf7\ud83c\uddfa, ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u043f\u0438\u0442\u0430\u043d\u043d\u044f"})," \ud83c\uddfa\ud83c\udde6, ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u043f\u0438\u0442\u0430\u043d\u0435"})," \ud83c\udde7\ud83c\uddec."]}),"\n"]}),"\n",(0,c.jsxs)(d.p,{children:["Tr\u011bba tako\u017ee pripomn\u011bti \u010ditateljam ",(0,c.jsx)(d.strong,{children:"nemo\u017enost polnogo programati\u010dnogo r\u011b\u0161enja"})," problema s ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u0459"}),"/",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u043b\u0458"})," i ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u045a"}),"/",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"\u043d\u0458"}),", ktoro ran\u011bje proponovalo se kako alternativa vsakoj reform\u011b jezyka. Na \u017ealost, ne vsaky raz mo\u017eno izjaviti s 100% uv\u011brjenostju \u010dto zna\u010di n\u011bkaka r\u011b\u010d \u2013 sut homonimy v med\u017euslovjanskom leksikonu, i v takoj situaciji, jedino algoritmy s um\u011btnoju inteligencijeju (",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"AI"}),") budut smogti to\u010dno skazati \u010dto to jest, napr: ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"usiljam"})," kako v ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"ja usiljam"})," (glagol s tvrdym ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"L"}),") abo ",(0,c.jsx)(d.code,{children:"hvala usi\u013ajam"})," (imennik s mekkym L)."]}),"\n",(0,c.jsx)(d.p,{children:(0,c.jsx)(d.em,{children:"Jaroslav Serg\u011bjev"})}),"\n",(0,c.jsx)(d.h2,{id:"nastupne-kroky",children:"Nastupne kroky"}),"\n",(0,c.jsx)(d.p,{children:"Prvo, \u010ditatelj mo\u017ee je\u0161\u010de pro\u010ditati tutoj dokument, kde obgovarjali se mnoge ine propozicije i pytanja okolo posl\u011bdic raznyh reform:"}),"\n",(0,c.jsx)(d.p,{children:(0,c.jsx)(d.a,{href:"https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XihmB0ETegx2PxKG0EIGUY6Sm0Kz9t21KViRlt-zCus",children:"Med\u017euslovjansko V\u011b\u010de (22.06.2024)"})}),"\n",(0,c.jsx)(d.p,{children:"Dalje, tr\u011bbujemo obgovoriti s pomo\u010dnikami razvoja med\u017euslovjanskogo jezyka argumenty i kontrargumenty vsakoj propozicije v komentarah ni\u017ee ."}),"\n",(0,c.jsx)(d.p,{children:"I, v koncu, Med\u017euslovjanska Jezy\u010dna Komisija glasuje za jedin iz variantov."})]})}function a(e={}){const{wrapper:d}={...(0,s.R)(),...e.components};return d?(0,c.jsx)(d,{...e,children:(0,c.jsx)(h,{...e})}):h(e)}}}]);
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